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Yes, I know this topic has been covered a bit, but I am trying to get any most recent information particularly in Southern CA. The number of dealers is shrinking and thus also the # of both new and used cars on lots. A very small number of cars covering both the San Diego and LA markets. Any recent experience with actual sales or auction prices? I have a 2012 S manual, motorsports black with all options that I am trying to gauge a fair price on. Thanks in advance to all for any insight.
 

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Yes, I know this topic has been covered a bit, but I am trying to get any most recent information particularly in Southern CA. The number of dealers is shrinking and thus also the # of both new and used cars on lots. A very small number of cars covering both the San Diego and LA markets. Any recent experience with actual sales or auction prices? I have a 2012 S manual, motorsports black with all options that I am trying to gauge a fair price on. Thanks in advance to all for any insight.
You're selling your car already? What gives?
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I'm interested as well, as I lay here recovering from spinal surgery, wondering if I'll ever be able to fold myself into the Evora, or any sporty car again. 1000 miles was all could find time to put on....now I feel like an idiot for not driving the hell out of it
 

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typical car guy, always in "shopping mode". Car has been great and it is my 4th Lotus. Unlike many of you Lotus guys I don't have any mechanical abilities and I am getting a bit nervous about the shrinking Lotus dealer network as far as service is concerned in the future. Still just exploring.
 

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I have the same concerns. I'd be meeting with some dealers talking trade in if my Evora wasn't at the dealer for warranty issues again. Not to mention they only have two weeks left.
 

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typical car guy, always in "shopping mode". Car has been great and it is my 4th Lotus. Unlike many of you Lotus guys I don't have any mechanical abilities and I am getting a bit nervous about the shrinking Lotus dealer network as far as service is concerned in the future. Still just exploring.
It's a tough question. Given the overall rarity of all the Lotus models, the location of the cars that are available really is a moot point. If someone really wants one, and the one wanted is across the country, they'll buy it.

About their rarity, or rather availability...well there is no shortage of Evoras of all stripes for sale. Just take a look at ebay.
 

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unfortunately I think the market is more well and fairly documented on 10-11 cars than the later cars...later cars seem to have a wide schwack. As mentioned, and as you know, the Lotus "market" is more of a commodity market than a car market as prices can vary widely, esp with colors and desirability.

10s seem to go from 47-52k private party, 11s 54-59k, 12s 62-66k, not sure I've seen a 13 yet? The S cars add a few thousand on top of each, though there are a few dealers blowing out some new 12 S cars around 71k I think.

This is semi-aggressive, but depending on your market maybe start at 75k and work from there. Motorsports black is unusual and gorgeous, so that is a +, and much like a buyer, you need to price with the expectation of some bargaining.
 

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I heard that Newport is blowing out new 12 S's in the high 60's. That doesn't help. I agree with others, it really is such a small market that it depends on finding the right buyer for the right car/color/S/manual vs auto, etc. Most important thing is get what you want and a good clean car. That is always worth a premium in terms of enjoyment.
 

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unfortunately I think the market is more well and fairly documented on 10-11 cars than the later cars...later cars seem to have a wide schwack. As mentioned, and as you know, the Lotus "market" is more of a commodity market than a car market as prices can vary widely, esp with colors and desirability.

10s seem to go from 47-52k private party, 11s 54-59k, 12s 62-66k, not sure I've seen a 13 yet? The S cars add a few thousand on top of each, though there are a few dealers blowing out some new 12 S cars around 71k I think.

This is semi-aggressive, but depending on your market maybe start at 75k and work from there. Motorsports black is unusual and gorgeous, so that is a +, and much like a buyer, you need to price with the expectation of some bargaining.

I love your enthusiasm but lets be honest here.

Here i a 2012 evora with 4k Miles that has been on ebay for months at 59K and can't sell so lets price the 2012 if you want to sell it with under 5k miles at the 55K range

Lotus Evora Rearview Cam | eBay


And if you are looking for a brand new 2013 lotus evora ips s. this one is constantly on ebay for 74k new. not sure if its still available you can call lotus of jacksonville

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Evora...1b5d435b7&item=350942934455&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

I feel bad for you allen, because you got killed on your deal. I wish you would have just looked at lotus in the east coast.
 

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I heard that Newport is blowing out new 12 S's in the high 60's. That doesn't help. I agree with others, it really is such a small market that it depends on finding the right buyer for the right car/color/S/manual vs auto, etc. Most important thing is get what you want and a good clean car. That is always worth a premium in terms of enjoyment.
Don't know where you heard that but I sold my last 2012 S last year to a client back east and it wasn't a blow out.

I've been known to help others sell their cars so if you want to sell it and have a price in mind, pm the details to me and I'l see what I can do.

I haven't spoken to our ex-sister store in San Diego in a while however our tech trained their Lotus tech and we tried to keep him but ultimately he was set on SD :shrug: If he's still there, you have a great tech for Lotus and the SD store isn't going anywhere.
 

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I feel bad for you allen, because you got killed on your deal. I wish you would have just looked at lotus in the east coast.
It's okay. I had my n/a Evora as a trade so an East Coast deal would have killed it. The most rational option (which I even acknowledge then) was to keep the n/a Evora - but honestly, I couldn't live with it's power. The S is just adequate for me and I don't really have issues with the S on power.

Except for Scottsdale Lotus closing down, I pretty much knew what I was getting into. I've called a few car dealers asking for a trade on my Evora S and they have no idea but asked me to come down so they can valuate it. I think it's the get him in the showroom tactic. I do wonder if the difficulty valuating the Evora may work for my favor.

But really, after all the hassle I went through to get the car registered here in AZ (including hiring an attorney to go up against the Arizona DMV), I'm in no serious rush to trade in for a new car - and the only two cars I'm interested in is the C7 Corvette or the Jag F-Type R which is too expensive. So, I have time.

I do hope Lotus does something with it's dealer network here because that's the biggest issue for me right now. I've lost track of all the times I've been at Scottsdale Lotus for the past 13 months for both Evoras.
 

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Don't know where you heard that but I sold my last 2012 S last year to a client back east and it wasn't a blow out.

I've been known to help others sell their cars so if you want to sell it and have a price in mind, pm the details to me and I'l see what I can do.

I haven't spoken to our ex-sister store in San Diego in a while however our tech trained their Lotus tech and we tried to keep him but ultimately he was set on SD :shrug: If he's still there, you have a great tech for Lotus and the SD store isn't going anywhere.
Hi Abe. Glad you're still around. I was getting worried.
 

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I think at a minimum we have to differentiate on S vs NA. Colors are a matter of taste, but I don't know anyone that doesn't see more hp as more valuable. A lot of these low balls are NA cars in odd colors. There is just not much supply and the S cars are mostly gone.
 

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I think at a minimum we have to differentiate on S vs NA. Colors are a matter of taste, but I don't know anyone that doesn't see more hp as more valuable. A lot of these low balls are NA cars in odd colors. There is just not much supply and the S cars are mostly gone.
You live in an area with 3 dealers within about 3 hours from your house. So I don't think you will have a problem with service in the next few years. Also if you try and sell your car now, you will get killed on the deprecation. If you still like the car and enjoy driving it. Then keep it for a few more years, and then try and sell it. Just my$0.02.
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Good point. I would personally never have an auto Lotus, but I realize that this may differ. It costs more, but for me I would pay more for manual.
 

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Thanks Ron, fair point. Driving an hour plus for routine service is not convenient. Lotus doesn't pay for loaners with warranty service so it can be quite a hassle to be forced to drive several hours. What if there is a major problem? Flat bed for several hours? Not cheap. Getting killed on depreciation is frankly what any of us do when we like the latest, shiniest new thing. My dad always paid cash and drove cars until they fell apart. I look at it more like owning art than buying transportation. If I only wanted transportation I would sell all of my cars and use car2go. Again, only an opinion, no right or wrong.
 

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Interesting thread. I've learned over the past half year that virtually everything to do with this car is extreme, from being the best driving sports car I've owned to the best looking to being by far the rarest.

It also amounts to the riskiest financial proposition I've ever entertained in a DD (and it ceased being my DD in September). I paid 79k for an untitled 2012S stickered at 90k with 400 miles. Today it's worth maybe high 60s, low 70s, or, as someone pointed out, whatever someone in close proximity to me is willing to pay for the right car with the right color. That's a pretty steep drop.

I knew that when I shopped for it and yet I just had to have this car. It's almost a weird love/hate thing owning a Lotus. I'm not sure I'll do it again, but I do love the car every time I get in it.
 

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I don't think 79 to 69 is a bad drop in one year. That's 12% in year 1. I would figure most cars are more like 20% in the first year.
 
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