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Going back all the way to 1988 in some cases... Enjoy!

<table border=1 style="font-size:9pt"><tr><td>Year</td><td>Manufacturer</td><td>Model</td><td>lbs.</td><td>kgs.</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Geo</td><td>Metro Sprint</td><td>1565</td><td>710</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Geo</td><td>Metro Sedan</td><td>1620</td><td>735</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Geo</td><td>Metro LSi Sedan</td><td>1640</td><td>744</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Ford</td><td>Festiva L</td><td>1713</td><td>777</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Suzuki</td><td>Swift GLX</td><td>1741</td><td>790</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Ford</td><td>Festiva LX</td><td>1750</td><td>794</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Suzuki</td><td>Swift GTI</td><td>1768</td><td>802</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX HF</td><td>1819</td><td>825</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX HF</td><td>1834</td><td>832</td></tr><tr><td>1998</td><td>Chevrolet</td><td>Metro</td><td>1895</td><td>859</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX</td><td>1922</td><td>872</td></tr><tr><td>2005</td><td><b>Lotus</b></td><td><b>Elise LSS</b></td><td><b>1930</b></td><td>875</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Hatchback</td><td>1933</td><td>877</td></tr><tr><td>2005</td><td><b>Lotus</b></td><td><b>Elise</b></td><td><b>1965</b></td><td>891</td></tr><tr><td>1990</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX HF</td><td>1967</td><td>892</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Toyota</td><td>Tercel</td><td>1970</td><td>893</td></tr><tr><td>1998</td><td>Chevrolet</td><td>Metro LSi Sedan</td><td>1984</td><td>900</td></tr><tr><td>1994</td><td>Ford</td><td>Aspire Coupe</td><td>2004</td><td>909</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX Si</td><td>2011</td><td>912</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Hatchback</td><td>2013</td><td>913</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Sedan</td><td>2039</td><td>925</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX</td><td>2048</td><td>929</td></tr><tr><td>1994</td><td>Ford</td><td>Aspire Sedan</td><td>2053</td><td>931</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Hatchback</td><td>2088</td><td>947</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic CX / VX Hatchback</td><td>2094</td><td>950</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Mazda</td><td>323 Hatchback</td><td>2100</td><td>952</td></tr><tr><td>2000</td><td>Toyota</td><td>Echo</td><td>2100</td><td>952</td></tr><tr><td>1995</td><td>Hyundai</td><td>Accent L</td><td>2101</td><td>953</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX</td><td>2103</td><td>954</td></tr><tr><td>1995</td><td>Hyundai</td><td>Accent Sedan</td><td>2105</td><td>955</td></tr><tr><td>1990</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Hatchback</td><td>2127</td><td>965</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX Si</td><td>2138</td><td>970</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Sedan</td><td>2147</td><td>974</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Nissan</td><td>Sentra Coupe</td><td>2156</td><td>978</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Si Hatchback</td><td>2161</td><td>980</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Hatchback</td><td>2165</td><td>982</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>CRX Si</td><td>2174</td><td>986</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Hatchback</td><td>2178</td><td>988</td></tr><tr><td>1990</td><td>Mazda</td><td>MX-5 Miata</td><td>2182</td><td>990</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Toyota</td><td>Corolla FX</td><td>2190</td><td>993</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Volkswagen</td><td>Golf 2dr Hatch</td><td>2194</td><td>995</td></tr><tr><td>2000</td><td>Toyota</td><td>MR-Spyder</td><td>2195</td><td>995</td></tr><tr><td>1989</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic LX Sedan</td><td>2211</td><td>1003</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic CX Hatchback</td><td>2222</td><td>1008</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Hatchback</td><td>2242</td><td>1017</td></tr><tr><td>2001</td><td>Kia</td><td>Rio</td><td>2242</td><td>1017</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Dodge</td><td>Omni</td><td>2259</td><td>1024</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Sedan</td><td>2262</td><td>1026</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Coupe</td><td>2262</td><td>1026</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Volkswagen</td><td>Golf GTI</td><td>2267</td><td>1028</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic DX Sedan</td><td>2275</td><td>1032</td></tr><tr><td>1993</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic delSol S</td><td>2277</td><td>1033</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Si Hatchback</td><td>2291</td><td>1039</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Acura</td><td>Integra RS Coupe</td><td>2313</td><td>1049</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic HX Coupe</td><td>2313</td><td>1049</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic LX Sedan</td><td>2319</td><td>1052</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic LX Sedan</td><td>2322</td><td>1053</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Si Hatchback</td><td>2326</td><td>1055</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Mazda</td><td>MX-3 Base</td><td>2332</td><td>1058</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Mazda</td><td>323 GT Sedan</td><td>2340</td><td>1061</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Toyota</td><td>MR2</td><td>2350</td><td>1066</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Nissan</td><td>NX 1600 Hatchback</td><td>2350</td><td>1066</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Acura</td><td>Integra SE Coupe</td><td>2355</td><td>1068</td></tr><tr><td>1990</td><td>Mazda</td><td>Protégé SE</td><td>2359</td><td>1070</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Toyota</td><td>Corolla GT-S</td><td>2372</td><td>1076</td></tr><tr><td>1991</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic EX Sedan</td><td>2374</td><td>1077</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Nissan</td><td>Pulsar NX XE</td><td>2388</td><td>1083</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Acura</td><td>Integra RS Sedan</td><td>2390</td><td>1084</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Acura</td><td>Integra LS Sedan</td><td>2396</td><td>1087</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic Si Coupe</td><td>2396</td><td>1087</td></tr><tr><td>1993</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic delSol Si</td><td>2396</td><td>1087</td></tr><tr><td>2004</td><td>Mazda</td><td>MX-5 Miata</td><td>2447</td><td>1110</td></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic EX Sedan</td><td>2480</td><td>1125</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic EX Coupe</td><td>2483</td><td>1126</td></tr><tr><td>1994</td><td>Honda</td><td>Civic delSol VTEC</td><td>2491</td><td>1130</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Toyota</td><td>MR2 S/C</td><td>2494</td><td>1131</td></tr><tr><td>1988</td><td>Nissan</td><td>Pulsar NX SE</td><td>2566</td><td>1164</td></tr></table>
 

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Interesting- Seems car weights have been increasing a bunch over the last few years. Do you have a list of how the Elise compares to say, the five lightest cars now sold in the U.S.??. and also other (current) sports cars?
 

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Interesting- Seems car weights have been increasing a bunch over the last few years. Do you have a list of how the Elise compares to say, the five lightest cars now sold in the U.S.??. and also other (current) sports cars?
Keeping in line with the weight increase of Americans. Coralation?
 

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Is it just me or are there ALOT of crappy cars on that list...?!?-eek-
Crappy = late 1980's = no airbags & thin doors & tiny engines = light...

I've owned a couple of those cars - at least they got good mileage and were reasonably fun!
 

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Interesting- Seems car weights have been increasing a bunch over the last few years. Do you have a list of how the Elise compares to say, the five lightest cars now sold in the U.S.??. and also other (current) sports cars?
Ask and ye shall receive...

Manufacturer's lightest 2004 car weights...

<table border=1 style="font-size:9pt"><tr><td>Honda Insight 5-speed</td><td>1850</td></tr><tr><td>Honda Insight w/ A/C</td><td>1881</td></tr><tr><td><b>Lotus Elise</b></td><td><b>1930 - 1975</b></td></tr><tr><td>Honda Insight CVT w/ A/C</td><td>1975</td></tr><tr><td>Toyota Echo</td><td>2035</td></tr><tr><td>Toyota MR Spyder</td><td>2195</td></tr><tr><td>Hyundai Accent 3-door</td><td>2255</td></tr><tr><td>Scion xA</td><td>2340</td></tr><tr><td>Chevrolet Aveo</td><td>2343</td></tr><tr><td>Scion xB</td><td>2395</td></tr><tr><td>Kia Rio Sedan</td><td>2403</td></tr><tr><td>Honda Civic HX</td><td>2436</td></tr><tr><td>Mazda Miata</td><td>2447</td></tr><tr><td>Nissan Sentra 1.8</td><td>2513</td></tr><tr><td>Mini Cooper</td><td>2524</td></tr><tr><td>Dodge Neon</td><td>2581</td></tr><tr><td>Ford Focus</td><td>2612</td></tr><tr><td>Mitsubishi Lancer ES</td><td>2656</td></tr><tr><td>Saturn ION</td><td>2692</td></tr><tr><td>Acura RSX</td><td>2694</td></tr><tr><td>Mazda 3</td><td>2696</td></tr><tr><td>Volkswagen Golf</td><td>2771</td></tr><tr><td>Porsche Boxster</td><td>2811</td></tr><tr><td>BMW Z4 2.5i</td><td>2932</td></tr></table>

These are the manufacturer's lightest cars - some marques like Audi, Bentley, GMC and the like I just didn't bother with...

Only the Insight and Echo even come close.
 

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So with sport pack, a/c delete, the removal of the can of fix-a-flat, and a couple other minor reductions, the fed car could break 1900 lbs.
 

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From the little I know, you need to compare like. I know that the Elise weights are wet and the Porsche weight there is Dry. I think most manufacturers report dry weights.
 

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From the little I know, you need to compare like. I know that the Elise weights are wet and the Porsche weight there is Dry. I think most manufacturers report dry weights.
I got all the numbers from MSN CarPoint - a common source.

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So with sport pack, a/c delete, the removal of the can of fix-a-flat, and a couple other minor reductions, the fed car could break 1900 lbs.
Hell the car will dip into the 1800 range with 1/2 tank of gas. 5 gallons x 7 lbs/gallon = 35 lbs...

Personally I plan on replacing the battery with an Odyssey PC680 (-12 lbs estimate) and eventually a Fizanda flywheel (-6 lbs). Add the Stage 2 exhaust and save another 12 lbs... full of gas and without deleting A/C or the radio and you could get 1930 - (12 + 6 + 12) = 1900 lbs. EVEN... If you do the "delete" which supposedly weighs 45 lbs. you're golden at 1855 lbs... just... about... base... Insight... weight.

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I am WEIGHT boy. Just ask ANYONE who knows me. I took over 400 lbs. off my delSol VTEC while retaining it's stock appearance - 725 lbs. in "stripped" race trim.... I will find 100lbs. to safely come out of the Elise... it will just take time. It's amazing what you can find.

I have 30 lbs. to personally lose before the Elise gets here... but it will have to wait a couple of months until I can eat healthy portions again... baby is due in 45 day and I seem to be putting on the "sympathetic" weight. Grrr. I plan to be in the mid-high 150's when the Elise comes. This 185 lb. crap sucks.

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Don't forget a lightweight alternator, either. That's a few pounds less right there.

My car will also be going on a diet. I'm including airbags and a/c as things to be deleted once I get the car.

Unfortunately for my health, but fortunately for driving, breaking my leg last august was enough to cause me to drop 30 lbs over the last year. Narcotics (prescription!) have a tendency to cause you to lose your appetite, it turns out. Add to that the not being able to work out, and my metabolism is just chewing me up. Went from 230 (not fat) to 198 in less than a year. That wasn't weight I really wanted to lose, though.

As for the car... we'll see what else it can safely suffer the removal of. One of my co-workers just purchased a low-mileage, pristine, Ferrari 355 Berlinetta. (Yes, I got a ride in it... sweet car.) I have already had to listen to his crud about how his ferrari can whup my Lotus. So as soon as it gets out here, it's out to the track. All modifications are fair game... It's going to be fun to live a modern rendition of the Lotus vs Ferrari rivalry. :D

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Interesting- Seems car weights have been increasing a bunch over the last few years. Do you have a list of how the Elise compares to say, the five lightest cars now sold in the U.S.??. and also other (current) sports cars?
The main reasons are:

1) increased structural stiffness of modern cars. Every time you read a road test of a new model, you hear how they "increased torsional stiffness by 50%", etc. This isn't just through better structural analysis. It is also due to increased mass and heavier monocoques.

Back in the 90's, take the Ford Escort Cosworth, a rally homologation special. Strong for that era, but I think now a Nissan Sentra has a stiffer bodyshell. (assuming that manufacturer figures are correct, and they are not trumping them up now that it's a selling point.)

2) Increased safety equipment (airbags, beams, etc.)

3) More luxury - even most economy cars have air conditioning, power locks, adjustable seats, full carpet, etc. Read old economy car ads of the 70's, where they brag about "rubber floor mats - standard!" as a selling point, and you may see where I'm coming from.



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you forgot the MINIs. yes I know that they are are more than a ton, but you mentioned the new mx5. That is more than a MCS with JCW package. Not in the class of an Elise but a step in the correct direction.
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I'm not really too intent on losing weight on the car, but was wondering about lighter weight batteries. They've been using them in motorcycles for some time. Would that work on a street car though as significantly more electrics than a bike.
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I'm not really too intent on losing weight on the car, but was wondering about lighter weight batteries. They've been using them in motorcycles for some time. Would that work on a street car though as significantly more electrics than a bike.
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I used a battery called a Black Panther (similar to an Optima) that you can put in one hand and wieghed about 5 pounds, compared to the normal 30+ pounds of a factory battery. It worked fine. I think it was rated at 300cca.
 

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I used a battery called a Black Panther (similar to an Optima) that you can put in one hand and wieghed about 5 pounds, compared to the normal 30+ pounds of a factory battery. It worked fine. I think it was rated at 300cca.
Soon, you'll probably be able to supplant a hydrogen fuel cell that weighs less than 5 ounces for the same job. :)
 

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I used a battery called a Black Panther (similar to an Optima) that you can put in one hand and wieghed about 5 pounds, compared to the normal 30+ pounds of a factory battery. It worked fine. I think it was rated at 300cca.
Nice choice! Most people settle for the Optima, not knowing about BP. Didn't they change their name to Odyssey?
 
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