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With all these numbers flying around, if someone wants an ideally sorted 2011S with 31K miles for 50K, I'll sell it tomorrow. All the right stuff including 2bular track exhaust, Girodiscs, HK Fever louvered hatch....even extra wheels. Ideal alignment, excellent condition 1 scratch on RR corner from a parking lot rub.
 

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You can definitely get some of the 400’s in the high $50k’s if you make an offer on some. I’ve been looking for a few months and they are dropping. A brand new green ‘17 400 can be had for mid to low $60’s if you negotiate with them.

I’ve decided to wait a few months due to corvettes c8 causing market adjustments to some extent.

I’d say $45k-$55k for a low mileage 400 in Oct- Dec ‘20 once used C8’s are around and Ferrari F430’s drop in the $70k’s.


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You are probably optimistic on the 400 but it wouldn't be out of the question with how Lotus cars depreciate. You are out of your mind on the 430. Unless a huge recession hits you will still be pushing it to get a clean F1 360 for 70k, nevermind a 430.
 

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You are probably optimistic on the 400 but it wouldn't be out of the question with how Lotus cars depreciate. You are out of your mind on the 430. Unless a huge recession hits you will still be pushing it to get a clean F1 360 for 70k, nevermind a 430.
F430’s will definitely be in the $70’s in the time window I stated above. The “advertising” prices are low to high $90’s on great condition ones and “selling” prices are mid $80’s.
Ferrari dealers will give you low to mid $60’s on an f430 with 15-30k miles then turn around and try selling them at $95k. Call Ferrari of Los Gatos and check yourself what they would give for “your f430” wink wink... let me know what they tell you.

There is a bit more price adjustment waiting to happen on them but not much more (maybe). Ferrari is producing tons of models and producing more of these models than they have in the past. 10 years ago on cars.com Ferrari “all models” resulted in 1050 total cars on the used market in USA and now there are over 1800, and in a few years there will be over 2000 sitting on cars.com.





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A bit off topic (like discussing Ferrari futures when talking bout Lotus) but how the hell do you delete a forum post in this format?

Why do I ask? I responded to the above F430 post without first realizing the argument had shifted to "somebody else's" 430!
 

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While killer deals are great, I got one on a new leftover 07 Exige S in 2008, there is a down size to dealers truly selling at fire sale prices: they usually don't stay dealers.

When a dealer is discounting a side brand 25% get get a stale car off the lot, you're probably looking at a dealer that won't be a Lotus dealer much longer. They aren't making money selling Lotus cars.

People bust on 'stealerships' all the time for overcharging for service and parts. BUT the main benefit of buying new as opposed to a lightly used one that's already taken the depreciation hit is the warranty.

In the case of my Exige, two years into ownership, the dealership I bought it from dropped Lotus. It was one of the longest standing Lotus dealerships in the country to that point. Maybe the longest, along with Rothrock in Philly (which has since also dropped Lotus). I got rid of my Exige with a year left on the warranty clock because the nearest dealer for warranty work was at least 3 hours away.

So beat the dealers down, but mugging them on prices diminishes their number. Remember, if you want to buy a used Lotus, somebody had to buy it new...from a dealer.
 

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F430’s will definitely be in the $70’s in the time window I stated above. The “advertising” prices are low to high $90’s on great condition ones and “selling” prices are mid $80’s.
Ferrari dealers will give you low to mid $60’s on an f430 with 15-30k miles then turn around and try selling them at $95k. Call Ferrari of Los Gatos and check yourself what they would give for “your f430” wink wink... let me know what they tell you.

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Your limited knowledge is left to be questioned..... The only F430 you're going to get for that price is a high mileage bust down. Most F430s are still asking 95k great examples for a 105k+ The models with 35k+ miles questionable service history, terrible swirled rock chipped paint, cracked dried out leather, sticky button galore messes, and headers waiting to cost you a few grand will be 65-75k. Have fun with that :)
 

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Your limited knowledge is left to be questioned..... The only F430 you're going to get for that price is a high mileage bust down. Most F430s are still asking 95k great examples for a 105k+ The models with 35k+ miles questionable service history, terrible swirled rock chipped paint, cracked dried out leather, sticky button galore messes, and headers waiting to cost you a few grand will be 65-75k. Have fun with that :)
He is trying to pressure buyers and sellers to think they are wrong about prices. He is a schemer that wants something nice for nothing thinking he can manipulate the conversation about those cars. Foolish mentality or just dreams.
 

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I work hard to be lucky enough to have great cars... I work hard to sell these great cars and I work extra hard to save a few thousand sometimes many thousands to save on these cars.
Not here to pressure... just inform. Pay what you believe it’s worth, drive these amazing cars and be happy..
 
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