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Which dealers have received a "gift" from Lotus?

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I thought I'd start this thread to see if any other dealers have been as lucky as Overseas Motors. As stated on other threads, they have received a storm titanium elise with red interior which Lotus called and asked them if they wanted an extra car. They say they did not order the car, it is not there demo nor a customer car. So, it's up for grabs. I didn't ask how much. Anyway, I was told this won't affect their allocation as this was an "extra" car. I asked if they were expecting any other "extra" cars and he said no. I hope not or this just moves me further down the list. Until this point, I felt that they were being honest but just didn't have a lot of information. Now I wonder about that.

I have a friend who is not on the list and they called him right away to tell him about the car but never called me and I doubt any other deposit holders.
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MattM said:
...The salesperson didn't know how they came to be in possession of "extra" cars...
Did you happen to notice whether his pants were on fire when he was telling you this?
I did smell something funny, but no actual flames. :rolleyes:

I honestly don't think he knew. Which isn't to say someone else at the dealership higher up doesn't.
I smell something too

Hint ... its not smoke


Steve
Donovan said:
Sorry I should have been more clear. I was just joking about Aztec Bronze. Thanks for the heads up though! Now if you can find me a black one...
I recieved a call today from a friend who Whole Sales cars for a living, he offered me a Black/Black, Touring and Sport pkg for $10k over MSRP:rolleyes: The car is due to arrive on the East Coast next week.
Please don't mistake this as a solicitation...I'm just venting my frustration with Lotus since he can find a way to get the Elise (he's sold two already) and they can't even give me an ETA on the arrival date of our Demo:huh:
BTW...don't discount what Overseas said about the "gift" cars, although it is unfortunate they decided to test the market with their pricing of it. We were given the chance to pick up one since our Demo is somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle but Lotus screwed that one up too :mad:
Canyon Carver said:
Please don't mistake this as a solicitation...I'm just venting my frustration with Lotus since he can find a way to get the Elise (he's sold two already) and they can't even give me an ETA on the arrival date of our Demo:huh:
Your frustration is certainly understandable! It's too bad Lotus isn't doing a better job with the Elise introduction. They had appeared so intent on 'getting it right', that this resulting mess must have been the last thing they expected.
I think most of these things are the fault of the trucking company contracted to move the cars. I would think things might improve in the months ahead. Also, Lotus contracted with an importer that handles thousands and thousands of cars, so probably the small number of Lotus just arent' a high priority as far as transport goes, just rampant speculation on my part.

Chris
Canyon Carver said:
I recieved a call today from a friend who Whole Sales cars for a living, he offered me a Black/Black, Touring and Sport pkg for $10k over MSRP:rolleyes: The car is due to arrive on the East Coast next week.
Please don't mistake this as a solicitation...I'm just venting my frustration with Lotus since he can find a way to get the Elise (he's sold two already) and they can't even give me an ETA on the arrival date of our Demo:huh:
With so few cars in the states and many dealers waiting for their first car, it's amazing that this sort of stuff happens. I suppose it's really a small fraction of the cars being produced in the long run, but it just seems wrong.
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Sometimes there are "extra cars" . A region or zone may order cars themselves for autoshows or press with no DEFINATE known agenda. If they over estimate their need , they may grant one to a dealer ( an actual suprize) for excellent customer satisfaction ratings or sales volume or both. Then the dealer has a "loose" car. He can spin it to his "best" customer who buys or refers often or for a premium (we don't subscribe but don't judge those who do- it's their dealership investment) or can eve make it a 'hole in one ' prize at a golf tourney as a big promo. We give inbound clients their VINs as soon as their known so really there would be no way to not deliver ...even if we got weak...

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Sometimes there are "extra cars" . A region or zone may order cars themselves for autoshows or press with no DEFINATE known agenda. If they over estimate their need , they may grant one to a dealer ( an actual suprize) for excellent customer satisfaction ratings or sales volume or both. Then the dealer has a "loose" car. He can spin it to his "best" customer who buys or refers often or for a premium (we don't subscribe but don't judge those who do- it's their dealership investment) or can eve make it a 'hole in one ' prize at a golf tourney as a big promo. We give inbound clients their VINs as soon as their known so really there would be no way to not deliver ...even if we got weak...
Thing is Jeff...

I don't believe that with supply SO SHORT and SO BACKED UP that Lotus is pushing out extra unallocated cars yet, especially when some dealers don't even have a single car and are going ballistic as a result (and they ain't press cars). So while I'd fully accept you explanation in an even moderately mature market, at present I think it's BS - just hiding behind a 'stock' excuse that is patently irrelevant at this point in the proceedings.

Some dealers have just padded their list with non-existent customers so they can flip cars themselves, it's clear as day.

Just admit it.

:huh:
I can only speak for our dealership

I was simply expaining how "extra's" can happen in any exotic. I'm 22 years in the business and if someone is a 'bad' operator' then, well, he's bad . A legit guy can fall into a car . I've experienced with Caddy XLR convert , Porsche Turbo (1st 3 mos) , Bentley (Already) and with an inbound "to remain nameless" Elise. (the recieving client knows). Why so passionate?
Re: I can only speak for our dealership

js2665 said:
Why so passionate?
Passionate simply because that car could go to someone who's been waiting patiently on a list for 3 years e.g. somewhat deserving... Most of the time you guys don't even bother to call your list to let them know that there's a car available - it just goes straight onto eBay or in the case of Symbolic, Nicks country club buddies... which is a pretty sh*t practice.

... and sorry I still don't buy it - Lotus building spare cars just for kicks when they are already falling behind their own projections of their delayed delivery schedule???

Nah, that's crap. They have no need to sweeten anybody at the moment, they barely have time to take a piss.

So you wanna make money - OK - there's margin in the car, offer it to you early deposit holders at MSRP... oh no... you'd not make that call would ya - that be too nice.

:no:
Well, I may have contributed to the sale of the "extra" Elise at Overseas Motors. While visiting the new arrival today with my 19 year old son, I noticed two guys who had pulled up in a very sweet, late model 911 Turbo inspecting the storm titanium wonder-machine.

We eyed the new car with great glee, and I explained all the curious nuances I had learned about the Elise from here and countless magazine articles. The 911 owner was a total car addict who lately has come to apprecitate the uniqueness of our litle go-kart. During our conversation he decided that he wanted the car right then, premium price and all. ALthough I tried to dissuade him from paying the premium and waiting until +/- April for a car, he asked the salesman to estimate the trade-in value of the 911. <sigh> Even though I own a 1987 911, which I would gladly trade for the Elise, you cannot help but love those turbos.

During the course of our conversation, I spoke with a salesman. He affirmed that Overseas were surprised to get the ST Elise. They were not looking for it. Having it, however, they could display it, build up some interest and make a little money. He also affirmed that the ST Elise did not displace anyone on the list; there were no "cuts in line." So I do not begrude or criticize Overseas Motors for charging and getting a premium on their "gift." I'm still looking for mine before the end of the year.

The only disappointing thing about today's visit was my son's reaction to the car. He owns a 2003 Mach 1 Mustang. He was genuinely interested in the Elise, but after seeing it he thought it was too small and underpowered and a bit overdone in styling. I was truly hoping that he would appreciate it for what it is, but I'm afraid that he just doesn't "get it." Perhaps his mind will be changed by a test drive (if Overseas would now get their damned DEMO!!!).
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Randy G said:
The only disappointing thing about today's visit was my son's reaction to the car. He owns a 2003 Mach 1 Mustang. He was genuinely interested in the Elise, but after seeing it he thought it was too small and underpowered and a bit overdone in styling. I was truly hoping that he would appreciate it for what it is, but I'm afraid that he just doesn't "get it." Perhaps his mind will be changed by a test drive (if Overseas would now get their damned DEMO!!!).
I am guessing your son's mind "will" be changed by a test drive (except for the part about it being too small). I put my '99 Mustang Cobra up for sale the day I saw a picture of the federal elise and read its specs. Having driven an elise, I can say it did not disappoint in any performance category. It IS small and if your son does not value handling over the other attributes of a car, it is definitely not for him.
Larry
i guess i see it both ways. sure, sell it for a few extra (well ok, a crapload extra) bucks. but it does indeed delay list holders as the car could just as well been sold to the first ST list member. not like they lose money on these at list ya know
Ask him to follow you on a twisty road! He'll fall way behind. I was up at Lime Rock today at an SCCA event. One of the races included historic cars. It's pretty cool to see roaring V8s running comparable lap times to much smaller engined European cars.

Stan
LotusLust said:
i guess i see it both ways. sure, sell it for a few extra (well ok, a crapload extra) bucks. but it does indeed delay list holders as the car could just as well been sold to the first ST list member. not like they lose money on these at list ya know
Damn right, if these turkeys can't make money on an Elise at full list prioce then they clearly can't run a business.

Still we don't have the truth about where this 'extra' car came from.

"It just showed up, not expecting it, not looking for it"

Ahhhh that's bollocks; they ordered it as a 'sleeper' and now they're selling it for a quick buck. I dunno what is more distasteful, the practice or the excuses.

As Mr Lust pointed out, they could have offered it to the first ST customer on their list and made a fair, unadulterated margin and heap of goodwill.

An 'extra' car showed up at Criswell yesterday! It wasn't a bloody gift from God but the unexpected deliver of another customer car further down the list. What did Tim do??? Looked up who's friggin' car it was and gave him a call, he didn't leg it off to eBay or the local Golf club with it!

"Me thinks he protesteth too much"

:huh:
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Re: I can only speak for our dealership

js2665 said:
A legit guy can fall into a car . I've experienced with Caddy XLR convert , Porsche Turbo (1st 3 mos) , Bentley (Already) and with an inbound "to remain nameless" Elise. (the recieving client knows). Why so passionate?
Everyone... I've been trying to keep this thing quiet untill it was a done deal (my Dad always taught me not to open my mouth till a deal is done) but I can't contain myself anymore!!! I'm so elated, ecstatic, damn lucky week! Sorry Dad but ....
I'll try to make this crazy story short but here it goes: I think Jeff is speaking about me here on the "unnamed client who fell on a car".
To make a long story short, last week I was 2nd in line to purchase a car at Dimmit which was eventually sold to the jewelry store owner see pics in the earlier post (that MF SOB.. just kidding) ( read last Wednesday or Thursday's posts). That was the day Jeff first posted here on Elisetalk, and so when I saw him posting I enquired about what had happened to our deal since Clay my salesperson at Dimmit was on a mini-vacation, BTW Clay had been totally upfront with me about having to offer the car to someonelse first but still he had told me that if the other guy didn't take it, the car would be mine so I was really excited and not sleeping for 2 days waiting to hear on the car, I had never met or even talked to Jeff before that post and he didn't know who I was so he was a little pissed when I questioned him on the sale but as soon as I identified myself to Jeff as a customer he called his Salesguy in Boston to find out if I was really a customer of theirs and as soon as Clay confirmed it he PMd me with his direct phone number at the dealership, maybe 10 minutes later!. I contacted him and we talked and I apologized for coming a little strong on him ( you guys may remember my reply post to Fox Valley where I was a little harsh on the guy and he never came back again! sure you guys helped me plenty on that one!) after a while he let me know that a customer of his had been in touch with him telling him he wanted to get out of his car which was supposed to already be in country (he had the VIN for it already), he told me the car was a Nightfall Blue/ Biscuit car and so I told him that I was willing to purchase the car immediatelly. He contacted the owner, we all got together and agreed on a price and closed the deal. I received a contract from Jeff that same afternoon including the VIN and sale at MSRP. Jeff also offered me to help with financing and even took my MCS in trade for a higher price than the MINI dealer where I purchased it was willing to give me so that I would get the extra +/- $1,200.00 savings in FL sales tax ( maybe I shouldn't let Jeff know about that in here since I still don't have the Liz in my greasy little hands!!:D ) So, since Wednesday or Thursady Jeff has been taking care of me at Dimmit personally since Clay is out, got me a car and this morning around noon he gave me a call and said I wasn't going to believe but MY car had just come in!
Crazy sequence of events! If I hadn't poked Jeff with my post last week we would've never talked and this car would probably be sold before the weekend was out or at least before Clay gets back from his vacation! Now the final kicker is that Jeff told me not to drop everyting and rush out to Dimmit to pick up the car just yet today because he has to PDI the car but if everything was ok he would come in Sunday ( they are closed!) and deliver my car himself if I wished! I' didn't want to be that much of a pain so I'm planning on driving the 4.5 hours to Dimmit Monday but Jeff has gone waaaayyyy out of his way to satisfy me and I can't say enough about the professionalism and speed with which he took care of business in my case. I think my star was shining bright this week! but it sure doesn't hurt any the fact that for some reason Dimmit seems to be getting more cars than anyone at this point and they are taking care of their customers as fast as they can! I think they received 4 or 5 customer cars since yesterday including mine! Jeff if you read this, I went out and bought you a presnt today and I'll give to you on Monday AFTER we finish signing papers!:clap:
You guys who are like me and can't wait to see NFB can look forward to lots of pictures of my new Nightfall Blue/biscuit Elise as soon as I'm back from Dimmit on Monday!

Randy, If you could please change my screen name on Monday to the new one I PMd you that would be great!

Thanks
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Who needs a present after that build up?

1st lump in my throat since watching my kids get born! Release for a testamonial , anyone?? Sob . (NOT Saab)
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