Yes, I am familiar with Google, thank you...Johnny B said:
Please read my first post again and point out where I said that creation is what really happened.roadrunner said:Yes, I am familiar with Google, thank you...
From the 32,000 hits that your search produces, can you point me to just one link that provides what you yourself consider to be "proof that creation is what really happened"?
I once pissed off a Sunday school teacher when I was in high school. He was talking about creation vs. evolution and going on and on about the proof that creation is what really happened.
I looked at him and said, "James, all I know is that God make the earth and all the animals (including humans) the way He wanted to. Whether it was creation or evolution, it doesn't matter. He did it His way and that's all that matters. It would be a better use of the money that the creationists and evolutionists spend each year trying to prove each other wrong on other things that'll help those in need."
I left James speechless. Guess he wasn't prepared for me.
I guess it would be this bit:Johnny B said:Please read my first post again and point out where I said that creation is what really happened.
Yes, but not due to any fault of religion itself. Rather, this is due to religion being used as a tool to draw people to someone's cause. Religion itself is not a bad thing, it's just a very *powerful* thing that can and is abused by people. That is why it's best to be involved with any religion you choose, and to learn enough to make decisions for yourself - not to blindly follow some leader in the group.Mean TT said:I just wnat to add, that more people ahve been likked in the name of religion than anything else.
Breeding has nothing to do with evolution. While breeding does produce dogs/cats/whatever with different physical traits, it does NOT produce new species! So this example is irrelevant.Mean TT said:
2. Do you acknowledge that new breeds of dogs and cats are created every decade? (Yes, what is your point...) Well if you believe that genitic mutations produce different breeds of cats and dogs, and that there are more breeds today then yesterday, and there will be more tomorrow than today, you believe in the possibility of evolution.
We're cool.roadrunner said:I guess it would be this bit:
I looked at him and said, "James, all I know is that God make the earth and all the animals..."
Perhaps I was reading too much into it.
I'm sorry, but I really have to take issue with you on this viewpoint. I acknowledge that the principle of evolution should be regarded as a theory, but this theory is based on a process of deductive reasoning supported by actual (as you mention) evidence from the fossil record and analysis of contemporary biological specimens. I would hardly describe this as a "leap of faith", at least not to any greater extent than various other scientific theories that are broadly accepted as correct, even if they have not been proven beyond any doubt. I'd be willing to negotiate down to "conjecture"...Modern Wedgie said:...from my perspective, as a scientist, evolution is just as much of a faith as is any religion. There is EVIDENCE of evolution, but no PROOF. It takes a leap of faith to use the evidence together to come up with the THEORY of evolution. There are still many many unknowns and missing pieces; questions that we may never resolve in our lifetimes. Or maybe questions that we were never meant to solve. Religion is the same way.
On the face of it there is nothing fundamentally wrong with religion per se in its simplest form. I am perfectly happy for people of all creeds to believe in whatever they want to believe in, as long as they don't interfere with other people's right to believe something different. If your faith gives you comfort then why would anyone want to take that away from you? It's when zealotry and fanaticism start getting into the picture that one is tempted to consider religion in general to be a bad thing.Modern Wedgie said:In the end, is religion all that bad? Why does everyone feel its the cool thing to do to bash religion, and that everyone who believes in God must be uneducated and small-minded. Well, bugger off! I am a scientist and I believe in God. I dont know how the earth was formed, but that's what makes my job so interesting...I'm always looking for the answers to how the earth works.
My point about breeds of dogsd and cats is relevent in that a type of animal, all types of animals, cahnges can and ARE occuring, proving that designs for animals is not static.Modern Wedgie said:With attitudes like this, I'm sure if we left society to believe in evolution long enough, I'm sure you will see killings in the name of evolution too!
This often repeated line, obviously kept alive by an anti-religious faction (to put it nicely), will continue to be parrotted by many well-meaning but not-stopping-to-think-about-it-people until enough of us start pointing out the error in this statement.I just wnat to add, that more people ahve been likked in the name of religion than anything else.
It's irrelevant. It's not evolution! Next you'll argue that mating of people from different races will create a new species! Dogs, no matter what they look like, will still be dogs. So in a way, their design is static, no matter how much mankind tries to mess with it. I'd argue viruses to be a better evolutionary example.Mean TT said:My point about breeds of dogsd and cats is relevent in that a type of animal, all types of animals, cahnges can and ARE occuring, proving that designs for animals is not static.
X.xxxotic said:What scares me is that the Pope is suppossed to be infallible too.