Couldn't agree more. I too welcome new models and agree that Lotus should broaden their offering but it seems to me that the "Performance through lightweight " phylosophy was what was so right for our time (a greener, cleaner friendlier sports car) and was what was giving Lotus it's own identity. Now we are simply looking at a Lotus badge on essentially a Ferralamboporcha. Who needs 600 hp and 3500- 4000lbs of weight and how can something like that be looked at as a real sports car. Even Lamborghini is saying that from now on they will be working at producing lighter cars going away from top speed at all cost towards quickness, nimbleness...lightweight. Of course in their case at their price point they are looking at using carbon fiber as a means to achieve their weight reduction targets. It is sad to see that Lotus was way ahead of it's time with "Performance through lightweight" but has now decided that they should be just the same as the others.As a businessman, I understand Lotus' strategy of evolution (in this case revolution) to survive, and I wish them well in their quest for recognition, success and profits. Lotus does face substantial headwinds given various well established players and highly competitive offerings in the high performance sports car and gran touring segments, changing consumer spending habits, a global economic environment that will remain choppy for years to come, and a company history of frequent near-death experiences.
As a consumer, I am not pleased with their product direction one bit, and it is likely that my '06 Exige will be my first and last Lotus unless a new Lotus model hits my personal "sweet spot" by providing design, performance, and value in one package. There are plenty of compelling offerings that deliver crazy levels of performance (like Rossion, Toniq, Atom, etc.) that will make my adrenaline flow as freely and car guy heart warm as my Exige has. I see a Rossion in my future.
I totally agree with this. Heck, since the future Lotuses look very Japanese, they might as well have a Japanese owner!! :crazyeyes
True...BUT...are they keeping one model that holds true to 'simplify and add lightness'??Lotus cannot stay in business only making cars that compete with Rossion and Atom. Lightness is great for performance but most people want more than a flimsy, noisy, rattle trap even if it drives great. There is no reason Lotus can't keep one model that is super light and make cars that appeal to a new market.
What did I just read?
That's what I thought---BARF!:thwack:
Regarding the Esprit, it's not gonna cost anywhere near a 458 and on top of that, go try and buy one. If you're not on some Ferrari list you'll have to pay the going market rate if you can find one which is $40K-$70K over window...this customer will be turned off by Ferrari and go with Lotus and that's not to say that there won't be idiot Lotus dealers who will try this same tactic but definitely not the norm.I am mostly positive with everything I see. Different opinions for each car, but I did find it strange that the officers speak of the company, like its gonna comeback from something... Which assumes they are a tarnished brand at the moment, or simply not taken seriously. That kinda stings for us, as we kinda like this company the way it is, which is why we all have its products.
Our feelings as die-hards asside, Lotus is rebuilding lots of things, including an F1 team which costs $$$ and if they are gonna do that kind of thing, they need to be a little bigger car company to do so. Problem is, they have been here before. What the officers mean by "returning Lotus to its former glory" is bring Lotus back to just before it fell on its face, for making heavier "me too" cars.
Having said that my opinions are different for each car:
Esprit: Beautiful, but with the performance and price point of MANY other cars. Why pick a Lotus when a 458 Italia is almost the same thing at the same price?
Elan: FUKIN AWESOME, at that price its perfect. Makes a Porsche look like a joke. I hope Lotus sells a million of em. THIS car is unique and can dominate the 100k price point for a long time.
Elise: This new Elise was designed by marketing. This was the memo: "Dear Engineers, you will need to use all common parts from the other cars, and make look way less cool so it doesn't overshadow our other cars." For the price point though, it is still the coolest car BY FAR.
Elite: If ya like convertibles, its cool. My GF wants one, and will probably put her name on the list.
Estupido: Yeah the four door. This is garbage. Embarrassing. Sure is better looking than the Panemera though. Lotus will probably sell em.
If it's using the same chassis as the Evora, I bet it handles just as great if not better but only time will tell. Have you driven the Evora? It weighs 3046 LBS w/276 HP and still handles great...imagine how the 2015 Elise with same chassis (I think) will handle with less weight and more power. :shift:Which gives it a much better power-to-weight ratio. But it will still not feel as good in the handling area I bet.
It should be even more obvious to Lotus enthusiasts than to any other car enthusiasts... a car's performance is more than just HP/weight. My Exige S and my 2-Eleven have basically the same engine, chassis, suspension, and brakes... but the 2-Eleven is 400 pounds lighter and is far faster, nimbler, and exciting to drive.To be accurate, you need to compare a 2011 Elise SC to a 2015 Elise.
- $54,900 Base Price
- Weighs 2041 LBS
So you mean to tell me that for $472.20 more I get a 100 more HP's and all I'm sacrificing is only between 259-368 LBS???? :crazyeyes
- $55,372.20 Base Price per Lotus (35K BP)
- Will Weigh between 2300-2409 LBS. per Lotus
1/2 a ton :huh:
It's suppose to be between 6000-8000 cars world wide and since the 1st of the 5 cars is still at least 3 years out, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Lotus might be adding another facility in Hethel or somewhere else :shrug:Do we know what the total planned sales volume is for the "new line" will be? If it is a big increase in volume, does capacity exist in the current facility? Do they plan to build all of these vehicles in Hethel or will these angular beauties be assembled in Malaysia as well?
That is obvious but it's also obvious that Lotus will not be catering to this group and are going main stream. That said, an Evora is also exciting to drive, maybe not as exciting as a purpose built track car like the 2-Eleven or a street legal track car like the Exige but nonetheless, you can tell it's still a Lotus by the way it handles. If the Elise is indeed using the same chassis as the Evora, it goes without saying it will handle better since it will weigh less with more HPIt should be even more obvious to Lotus enthusiasts than to any other car enthusiasts... a car's performance is more than just HP/weight. My Exige S and my 2-Eleven have basically the same engine, chassis, suspension, and brakes... but the 2-Eleven is 400 pounds lighter and is far faster, nimbler, and exciting to drive.
So no more track oriented, street-legal Lotus? That would be a shame...That is obvious but it's also obvious that Lotus will not be catering to this group and are going main stream. That said, an Evora is also exciting to drive, maybe not as exciting as a purpose built track car like the 2-Eleven or a street legal track car like the Exige but nonetheless, you can tell it's still a Lotus by the way it handles. If the Elise is indeed using the same chassis as the Evora, it goes without saying it will handle better since it will weigh less with more HP