So was I! Are you getting "the line has been disconnected or no longer in use?" What' s going on at the factory? *Patricko said:I am one the phone to Henthal now...
Arno said:------This is one of the reasons that, since the S2 Elise, the clams are now made in france using an automated process and are no longer hand-laid like on the S1. The same factory also makes parts for other large car manufacturers.
Result is lighter, stronger, more uniform and cheaper parts (of course this is not visible in the end-user price.. Clams are still expensive.. )
GRP production can now scale much better compared to the old production processes.-------
Bye, Arno. [/B]
But the MR-S Spyder is also bigger, with more luxury amenities, sound deadening. I'm sure if Toyota build it smaller, with less features, sound deadening material, use of lighter material (alum and CF), they can built a mass produced mid-engine, 2zz engine, 1900lb car for less than $30k.Patricko said:But the Elise with SP is 1930lbs...
so buy a Spyder, strip it, and go to their forumnyoneway said:But the MR-S Spyder is also bigger, with more luxury amenities, sound deadening. I'm sure if Toyota build it smaller, with less features, sound deadening material, use of lighter material (alum and CF), they can built a mass produced mid-engine, 2zz engine, 1900lb car for less than $30k.
The most basic.... carpet.Randy Chase said:What is the weight difference between the 1zz and the 2zz?
What luxury features does the Spyder have, that the Elise does not? I will start with one I know of, a spare tire.
What features does an Elise have that the Spyder does not?
A TRUNK! If you ask me, it's the Elise's reasonably sized trunk that gives it a huge edge over the Spyder, making the car more capable for weekend getaways.Randy Chase said:What features does an Elise have that the Spyder does not?
From an old post at SpyderChat...I can't remember the original poster:Randy Chase said:
I would love to know what the body alone of the Spyder weighs.
Then compare the Aluminum frame at 155 pounds plus the clams, to the stamped steel. I am curious.
2000 MR2 Spyder (ZZW30) Component Weight Chart
14.6 lb front wheel
15.2 lb rear wheel
Complete Soft Top (including side brackets) 45lbs
Cross-bar (connects between side brackets) 5 lbs
Rear tray (under soft top) 4 lbs
car w/ 1/8 tank gas (indicated) 2185 +/- 4 lb
c50 transaxle 79 +/- 1 lb
front wheel 14.6
rear wheel 15.2
front tire -Yokohama 18.7 +/- 1/4 lb
rear tire -Yokohama 20.8 +/- 1/4 lb
spare w/cover & bolt 25.0
spare lid 3.0
front surround 2.8
spare bucket and support straps 8.2
"K51" tool kit 8.0
rear storage doors 5.4
rear storage floor 3.0
rear storage end covers -removable 0.8
rear storage package shelf 3.6
passenger seat 32.8
driver seat 34.6
floor mats 4.6
sun visors 1.0
wind deflector 1.4
plastic covers of brace behind seats 1.6
brace behind seats w/ latch 4.4
engine vanity cover 0.6
rear strut tower brace 1.4
power steering pump, lines, fluid 13.8
front splash shield 1.4
rear splash shield 2.0
exhaust splash shield 1.2
headlamp (1) 4.0
taillamp (1) 2.4
cowl cover 1.6
front inner fender liner 1.2
rear inner fender liner 1.0
rear bumper 10.0
tubular rear bumper braces (2) 0.6
left rear fender 10.4
right rear fender 9.8
rear deck lid (w/ stop lamp) 20.0
rear deck lid prop 0.2
side vent (1) 0.4
front bumper 8.2
front fender 4.0
front hood 22.0
front hood prop 0.4
wiper arms (2) 2.0
catalytic converter (3rd & final) 16.8
exhaust manifold cover 2.4
exhaust manifold (w/ cats) 16.2
heat shield -small 0.2
heat shield -exhaust (black) 1.2
hardware (total of removed) 3.4
OEM battery 28.0
battery mounting 2.0
intake system (pipe in fender only) 1.4
air filter 0.6
+/- 0.2 lb unless noted