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My Rental Toyota Camry feels far more accurate & direct compare to my Evora.

12K views 97 replies 40 participants last post by  squidward  
#1 · (Edited)
My Rental Toyota Camry Steering feels far more accurate & direct compare to my Evora.

I had a Toyota Camry rental and drove it over 1,000 miles to SF over the weekend. The steering felted great compare to my Evora.

The Evora seems to follow lines or cracks on the road without getting any feedback. Steering seem loose. Dealer states that it is normal and because they just replaced a spacer on the steering not too long ago.

Have you experience this also on your Evora.

Thank You.
 
#42 ·
You may want to ask the dealer to check that the steering rack bolts are tight.
I experienced a similar sensation on my track only Evora. Loss of feel and delayed steering input. The bolts holding the steering rack had worked very loose.
Even with track use and slicks putting more stress on everything related I suppose it could very well happen on a street car.

FYI my .02
 
#45 ·
I would find another dear for a second opinion if possible. Sure they said they checked things but it does not mean they did.

You should own a very accurate tire gauge if you have/had a Elise so get out there and check them. Jack it up and wiggle the tires and see if you can feel any play in the hub. Make sure the lug nuts are tight

Its not going to fix itself so either find someone that will look at it or get down and get dirty and look over it yourself. You might not be able to see anything but you will have peace of mind that you checked and maybe you will be more prepared when you talk to a mechanic. They are not mind readers
 
#48 ·
Also, can I ask which dealership you went to? I noticed your in Southern California.
 
#49 ·
I think we all missed the point of this post, he was not saying that the Camry was better, I believe he was saying that something is so wrong with his Evora that he noticed it when he drove the Camry

He just chose a odd choice of words to say it
 
#50 ·
You are right, he may be saying my Evoras steering response is so screwed up even a rental beater Camry's is better.
 
#52 ·
I rent a lot of cars. They all suck

The worst was a mustang convertible.

I take that back. I had a 4 door Infiniti gx37 as a loaner two weeks ago. Steering was blah, but the automatic tyranny was the worst thing I've ever experienced. It was as if it took 3 seconds to change every gear. Horrific.
 
#57 ·
Cashier and Julian73. You are correct. If I were to say my Corvette or Porsche then I wouldn't get this much response. I chose the lowest model car that i recently driven and on the same route I drove up north. that was how bad the steering was. At that time the dealer stated that the steering was fine with no issue but it just didn't feel right. But still, that camry did have a great steering response.
 
#59 · (Edited)
Probably best for me to test your car, let me borrow it for a day it needs to be brought up to a proper speed. The vehicle has to be brought to excess of 150mph to properly align the shizzleshaft.

Your evora will follow the indents and impressions of the road more then most cars. The evora follows the road better than my Lambo, Ferrari or Veyron. It just needs more HP.
 
#61 ·
I had an issue with the u-joint on the intermediate shaft that connects the steering column to the pinion. With the car off (steering wheel lock disengaged) and wheels straight ahead there was noticeable play in the steering wheel. At first they thought it was the rack so they replaced that, then they thought it was the alignment so they realigned it twice. Finally I had the dealer get the keys of some of the other Evoras to compare with and the other cars had tight steering wheels with resistance, mine had a degree or two of free play.

Finally, they tested the steering wheel by clamping the steering column to verify the play wasn't in the connection between steering wheel and column. Next they clamped the intermediate shaft and found that there was visible play in the u-joint. After replacing the intermediate shaft the car feels like it should. Before this, mainly on the straights of worn freeways, the car would dart about with less control and feedback than I'd like. Now, you can feel it still wants to dart around due to grooves and cracks but it's controllable with hands on the wheel.

I would have never said that a rental Camry felt better than my Evora even when it had the problem but I think I can get the OPs drift.
 
#62 ·
I'm not surprised. I think the OP's car has some steering problems that should be looked at.

I drove an Evora IPS a few months ago and that particular car was AWLFUL! I swear something was wrong with the steering because it was really bad. The steering felt loose, the car felt 'floaty' at about 7-90kph, and didn't feel connected nor rooted to the road at all. At over 100kph, I actually felt a bit afraid the car would do a 'Maldonaldo' on me!

OP, go have the car checked, something is wrong with it.
 
#64 ·
No question, that wwas n alignment issue. The Evora is not easy to align as everything is very sensitive. Make sure they also do a real road test on a good road at high speed (over here its easier, just take it on a stretch f unlimited Autobahn).
 
#63 ·
I have heard of cars with alignment or play issues of some sort wearing the tires so that once repaired, they were worse.
An alignment shop here says that is a common problem on sensitive cars.
Something to be aware of after you fix the original problems.

I also had a recall notice on a car I had about subframe bolts working loose and causing apparent steering issues.
Check everything.
 
#65 ·
Thank you guys for the feedBack and advise and I really don't mind getting slammed by the other members. I was already expecting it before I plan to post. If you were told that your Evora was fine and then was getting better feedback and steering responses from a rented out Camry then you will understand why I chose that title. But, it sure got a lot of fast hits and great advise that I couldn't get from anywhere else plus I wanted to know which members are the members to talk to.

Again, thank you to the members that helped me with this issue and my Evora is currently getting an alignment right now and some bolts tighten as per the members here advise. I hope this post will help other members as well. Thank you.
 
#68 ·
Does Lotus need to recall this if this happens on multiple cars? Seems sketchy
 
#69 · (Edited)
This was an entertaining thread. All the usual characters couldn't resist the jabs and I'm glad to see you're being a man about it, Secretcha.

I think your car has something seriously wrong with it. I hope everything gets resolved and your back to enjoying the car for the reasons you bought it in the first place.

Question: Did you recently change your tires? They play a big role in handling feedback, and I found the wrong tires can negatively affect your car's handling significantly. BTW, the steering spacer explanation is BS. All the new models have the a larger spacer because it was found that on the older models there was some lateral play that owners complained about (including myself, in fact I posted a video about it). After it was corrected I did not notice anything unusual about it except that the occasional click was gone. I've learned that techs love to come up with whatever explanation they can find to negate a complaint and close out the work order.
 
#73 · (Edited)
Thank you. I did the wheel aligment as per advice from the members here and it fixed the issue.

Back then, they did replace my spacer with a larger one and my steering wheel will still click. I will mention it to them again.

I am on my 2nd set of tires. at first I replaced them with Continental ExtremeContact DW Max Performance Summer. My car was floating all over the lanes with that tire. I took it back to the tire place and they had their tech guy ride along to see/feel the issue. He noticed it also and replaced it with the OEM Pirelli P Zero tires and it runs great afterwards.

Can you link your video here?

Thank You.
 
#71 ·
I had a Toyota Camry rental and drove it over 1,000 miles to SF over the weekend. The steering felted great compare to my Evora.

...
I would have the alignment checked, as well as the tire pressure and tires.
I have a car once and got some special Dunlop for it.
It hunted and squirmed all over the road. Call Dunlop and they said are in France?, then are you in Southern California?. The concrete was cut with siping groves that matched the tyres grove spacing, so it was like a needle in a record groove. (For those that predate CDs).

There are so many things it could be, so I would bring it somewhere...

(I am not going to suffer through more pages of negative comments. - so maybe some one already mentioned that)
 
#72 ·
I took it in for a wheel alignment and that pretty much fixed the Steering issue. When the car wants to move to the left or right I will get instant feedback, with no delay. The steering response now is great also.

Thanks guys for your help and sorry for the dumb title.
 
#76 · (Edited)
I had an 06 MINI Cooper S. The steering on that car was FAR more sensitive than any of the 3 Elise or 2 Exige I've owned. I mean any of the Elige felt numb after some time in the MINI. Not saying it was better, just way more sensitive. It was actually too sensitive.
 
#82 ·
When i did the 4 wheel alignment on my motorcycle it fixed the issue too.

but seriously
I think your alignment is a temporary fix it. There is probably a different cause, but now that can be ruled out.
 
#84 ·
maybe it is. I'll just have to see. I drove it for about 60 miles and do feel the difference. The tech guy also checked some of the bolts and said they all felt tight. Nothing seemed loose. I will probably have the Lotus dealer do the Track pack on it just to get it out of the way.
 
#85 ·
Toe-in and toe-out alignment settings can have a huge impact on steering and vehicle stability and turn-in behavior. If your car was really out of whack, there is no reason to believe it was anything else. If you have the raw numbers, post them.
 
#88 ·
Wow! 5 pages and still going strong for a post that warranted no response at all. Let's keep this going and see if we can elevate this thread to the top of the Google results anytime someone does a search for Evora.
 
#92 ·
Good point
usually I would not say anything, but even the OP admits this was a bit of a "click bait" post.
slam the car with no specifics and get offended when people call you out
Sorry, this post smells more of Troll than looking for advice. :no:
 
#89 ·
Well in defense of the OP he did have a problem with his car and after getting over the sarcasm regarding the title and our misinterpretation of his intent we did offer legitimate mechanical problems that can be important to all owners. You sir added to superfluous posting having only skimmed the 5 pages.
 
#90 ·
Well it shouldn't drive like a camry, only the engine/trans and a few other things are from the camry. Since the steering column is made by Daewoo (that out of business car). No worries supposedly there's like 6000 available.

Camrywooutus?