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Manly's Motor Mounts...first impressions

12K views 36 replies 28 participants last post by  loki007  
#1 ·
first off, apologizes? is that the name of these mounts? :shrug:

Shipping of the mounts to me was lightning fast; thanks Manly. ;)

Installation for me took took longer than expected, that's OK.

a few notes:

1. the instructions supplied with the website were pretty clear and straightforward, except for torque values on the bolts. I don't have a service manual, and I don't know that those values are supplied. No biggie.

2. I have an '08, and I assume everyone else has a heat shield protecting the rear mount. simply removed it to access the rear mount. that wasn't in the instructions. this was my first time dropping the undertray and diffusor, so I didn't know what to expect or see.

3. it helps to have the right extension. deep sockets and particularly an extension to get to the rear mount's forward mounting plate bolts helped. a ratchet wrench helped on the front mount.

4. my 08 doesn't have spacers or bushings for the rear mount's rear mounting bolts holding the mount to the frame. made it easier for me to disassemble/reassemble. a nice surprise. guess it was slightly re-designed.

5. for most of you, this is common sense, but it helps to wipe a very light film of wd40 or the like on the inside of the ears where the mount's inserts need to slide back into. makes it much easier, but many of you probably know that already.

to the chase:

even just starting the car off to shove off the ramps, I could notice a difference at idle. not really bad or worse, but definitely different.

just ripping it up around town, there is a very noticeable increase in throttle response. mash the gas, the car jumps more.

at idle, yes, it's a bit rougher, and you feel it thru the butt, however, it's not objectionable.

Some posters were worried about mirror shake. Surprisingly enough, my rearview shimmied with the stock mounts at idle. With the new mounts, problem solved! no shake or shimmy! My guess is that whatever vibrational node it is just happens to null out or whatever and leave my mirror shakeless. Phew! :nanner:

Took the wife (Frostylocks) for a spin and asked her opinion as to whether she could live with the extra slight vibration. She said yup. We both felt the car launched better.

Brief romps thru town, and our opinion is that our butt-dyno says it has more throttle response; more jump factor. No, we didn't track the car and so forth, but as the title says, this is our first impression.

We are leaving them in and feel like it's a worthwhile improvement with little to sacrifice. If we wanted a cushier ride, we'd have bought a Cayman. rotfl

The only thing that has got me chin-stroking is considering removing the front inserts and leaving the back inserts installed. My concern is that would this put additional stress on the front stock mount? Or, would it not put any additional stress since the motor moves less therefore less stress on the front stock mount anyway? I was thinking of removing the front inserts mainly cause it's easier/quicker to do. It also appears that when the car is under acceleration as shown in the promo video, the motor kicks backward towards the rear of the car. My thought was that by leaving the rear Manly inserts installed instead of removing them would be more beneficial than by leaving the front inserts and removing the rear. Thoughts?

This one mount version may be a good eventual compromise?
 
#7 ·
Check your motor mounts

First, thanks to Manly for the insert solution and quick shipping.

Install of the front inserts went well, perfect fit.

Removal of the rear bushing and carrier went fine only to find the bushing torn. :wallbang:

Anyone know a source for the bushing or bushing/carrier other than Lotu$? Are these a Toyota part along with the rest of the drivetrain?
 
#9 ·
I was thinking of removing the front inserts mainly cause it's easier/quicker to do. It also appears that when the car is under acceleration as shown in the promo video, the motor kicks backward towards the rear of the car. My thought was that by leaving the rear Manly inserts installed instead of removing them would be more beneficial than by leaving the front inserts and removing the rear. Thoughts?

This one mount version may be a good eventual compromise?
Did you remove the front inserts? If so, was there a difference with just the rear mounts installed?
 
#10 ·
Just purchased a set the other day! Got them about a day later!

Can you give us a general estimate on how long the install took?
 
#14 ·
I just finished installing the rear inserts.

How did you guys manage to fit a torque wrench to torque down the bolts? I was only able to get it on the main 17 mm bolt. The others I just cranked down as tight as I could. I'm pretty sure I turned them tighter than they originally were. Maybe they loosened up over the course of 8k miles.
 
#17 ·
Yes, just match up the patterns. The fronts and rears are different. The fronts have a left and a right. Each one has a notch that matches up with a tap on the mount. I think the rears are interchangeable.

Which hole is offcenter? I don't recall any of the holes (mounts or inserts) being offcenter.
 
#20 ·
+1

I've had them for about a year along with the FF damper and the combo works very well for me.....it is a daily driver..yes I have a little more vibration but the throttle response is much more improve or it feels like it is.......and just maybe it is 1s quicker to 60rotfl
 
#21 ·
Finally installed mine last night. No idea how one could actually install the rears without removing the RTD brace though! So I just took the whole thing off. Needed to check the torque on the brace anyway, so no big deal.

Haven't driven it yet. I also did the shifter brace mode, so the whole thing should feel a bit tighter!
 
#22 · (Edited)
Installed mine this morning. I did manage to do it w/o removing the RTD. It probably was not the smart way to do though. I left a little blood behind. My only concern was not being able to get a torque wrench on all of the bolts. I could not find any way to torque the brackets on the transmission. I turned them down as tight as I could. Not the right way but it was the best I could do.

Another Ltalker (KMHEPLER) and I did the install in about 2 hours. I'm sure it would have been quicker if either of us knew what we were doing. My secrets were a lift, a bottle jack and KY jelly

The extra vibration is very tolerable. I am not sure if I just drank the Kool-aid but I do think the throttle responce is better too.
 
#24 ·
I think the extra vibration is a good thing. The car feels tighter to me. On installation: front removal of the lower bolt was a bitch. Had a lot of trouble getting the rear mount bolts to re-align in the cross-member too.

Inserting the Manly's in the stock rubber was also difficult...helped to put them on the floor and stepping on them. Popped right in then.

(Just re-read that last sentence, warning: NSFW) ;)
 
#27 ·
Some people claim 30mins, not for me but I would say after car is up/panels off... takes less than an hour to install. I have an '08 Exige-S 240.

At idle the car has more of a low frequency vibration than it used it have, more of a back massage type than high frequency ear tickling type. It is fine, as soon as the RPMs are above idle (no A/C on), any extra vibration goes away and I can't tell the difference from stock.
 
#30 ·
i just installed mine. not that hard but my mechanic took about 2 hours from start to finish.

as everyone said there is more vibration but tolerable. however, i get more vibration when the a/c is on. i was hoping there is a way to get the same kind of vibration when the a/c is off -perhaps the idle should go higher or lower? not that the vibration is unbearable, but quite annoying when you're stuck in a traffic jam like i was for 1.5 hours. the vibration when the a/c is off would be great.

now for the good part, the shifting has improved. i also have the shifter mod and together with the mounts, the shifting feels rock solid. the car just generally feels tighter, during acceleration and braking. i can't wait to take the car to the track and see what difference it makes.

thanks manly. i just hope you can give me recommendation on what to do to lessen the vibration when the a/c is on. thanks
 
#31 ·
I just got these on and did a 30 miles test drive around town. What a difference they make! The shifts are significantly more solid under hard acceleration and you don't get the torque induced kickback when getting off the throttle. There is quite a bit more vibration at idle, but once you start rolling it is not an issue at all. I think it is a worthy trade-off. It took me an hour and a half from start to finish using just ramps. It would be considerably easier to use a lift. I actually experienced less vibration with the AC on. Maybe there is a difference in my revs at idle than the poster above.:shrug:
 
#32 ·
Ive had manly engine mounts for a while now

The car feels like a more powerful car, because the slightest gas pedal movement translates into instant forward motion, in every gear. It really makes drive by wire precise. I can barely lean on the accelerator(no noticeable pedal movement), and the car accelerates.

The vibration is very noticaeable when car is at a stop light. Its more amusing than annoying. Once the car is in motion, you dont notice the vibration.

One thing noone mentioned yet, is that the engine sounds at least 2x louder with the mounts in place. All noise vibration makes it to the frame now. Quality british engineering will most certainly fall off the car faster now. The second cam screams now.

Recomended for anyone that thinks their lotus is getting a little boring. Super cheap too $100. And it probably has a lot less vibration than dedicated engine mounts like s111 $400 mounts.
 
#33 ·
I've had my Manly inserts for a while now too. Did a road-trip to the Dragon and back plus lots of around town. Like so many others have said, the vibration at idle is pronounced. The first start-up after install was the worst, and they've mellowed out significantly, however the vibration at idle is still noticeable but not objectionable. Once you're over 1100-ish RPM you can't even tell they're installed, that magical resonance mode is just off idle and disappears in actual driving. Shifting is easier, but still not ideal [remember it's still a Lotus so shifting will never be awesome]

Overall, recommended for track rats and hardcore enthusiasts, but not so much for the concours crowd.
 
#34 ·
Just put in an order for a set after installing the front and rear Innovative mounts...not my cup of tea. The only problem is I used Manly's instructions for the torque specs and they are way too high. I ended up stretching the bolts (I was able to get a torque wrench in there...maybe because I have an Arqray diffuser exit exhaust?). Any ideas where I can order the bolts and have them shipped? Or if anyone knows the lengths, I'll just source them elsewhere (either McMaster or find similar BMW bolts).

Thanks,
Chester
 
#36 ·
...The only problem is I used Manly's instructions for the torque specs and they are way too high. I ended up stretching the bolts (I was able to get a torque wrench in there...maybe because I have an Arqray diffuser exit exhaust?). Any ideas where I can order the bolts and have them shipped? Or if anyone knows the lengths, I'll just source them elsewhere (either McMaster or find similar BMW bolts).

Thanks,
Chester
I had the same problem. See the following thread:
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f25/engine-mount-bolt-torques-70721/
I got replacement bolts from my local auto parts store. I only stretched two of the frame bolts before I stopped and thought carefully about what I was doing. I upgraded the stretched bolts to class 10.9.
 
#35 ·
I installed the Manly Mounts last week and the results are the same as others describe. However, I did not install both front and rear mounts at the same time. I installed the front mount first then needed to run some errands. With only the front poly mount I noticed no increase in vibration at idle. I only drove it like this for an hour, but I could not perceive any change to the Elise from the front mount.

When I installed the rear mount idle vibration increased significantly, but above 1500 rpm it is only slightly more than the stock mounts.

This may be an option for some who find the increased vibration of both mounts too much.

I also noticed my rear mount was starting to tear one of the rubber ‘arms’ with only 22k miles.