[brgelise]

Amazing how 50lbs is a fat suit now..... The suit can easily be removed however.
and I hope they are selling for less or future variants don't escalate to much in price. I came away FAR more impressed with Emira than I thought I would. Going to 20s up front alone added 10lbs for example. Had to.
Waiting for someone to try some Evora OE 18/19 forged units on an Emira. Bet that would drop 30+lbs easy! So battery and wheels -60+lbs and Voila! no fat suit.

 

[imthewalruz]

But you can do all that stuff on an Evora GT too.

IMHO, since they won't put a manual with the AMG, and they certainly won't be pairing a new transmission at any point with the 2GR, the Evora GT is lighter, more powerful, and yes a bit more raw. It's not as pretty from most angles maybe but the rear and side views of the Evora especially GT is still exotic and sporty.

But the true distinction is the backseat, and certainly something Lotus in its heyday did plenty of (though for some reason I feel a lot better about putting my kids carseat inches in front of the engine in my car rather than say the back of a Lotus Elite).

 

[Road Aviator]

But you can do all that stuff on an Evora GT too.

IMHO, since they won't put a manual with the AMG, and they certainly won't be pairing a new transmission at any point with the 2GR, the Evora GT is lighter, more powerful, and yes a bit more raw. It's not as pretty from most angles maybe but the rear and side views of the Evora especially GT is still exotic and sporty.

But the true distinction is the backseat, and certainly something Lotus in its heyday did plenty of (though for some reason I feel a lot better about putting my kids carseat inches in front of the engine in my car rather than say the back of a Lotus Elite).

The back seat is not for humans, it's for a full size suitcase and a second carry-on.

 

[imthewalruz]

I think there are many others here who would disagree. I use the Evora most days for school drop off and pick up. Eventually my kids will be too big, but the backseat is the reason I own an Evora instead of anything else right now. Backseat/MT/isn't a 911= Evora.

 

[brgelise]

The weight thing is killing me. ~3175 v 3212. OMG its a poker at 37lbs heavier. Half the owners would benefit from dropping that weight off their person................I can say the same of a GT which is heavier than my S.. 3175 v 3168....and they did a lot of lightening during the build so there is less room to drop easy weight. The 44lb exhaust on the S v 33.8 on the GT just to name one. Lighter flywheel etc.... The only truly lighter Evora is the Sport 410!
You guys are NOT keeping it real with the weight concept.

There are only a handful of us out there down on the 3060 and below zone short of stripping it out and going to track seats etc... Seats on mine would get me below 3000lbs which would make a GT a real porker in comparison.
Even after a 30 minute drive, I feel pretty confident in saying no stock Evora GT will pull a car length on an Emira at LRP in a full lap. I doubt there will be any difference and due to superior damping, I wouldn't be surprised if a pro was faster in an Emira as its transient responses are fabulous. On a back road, this discussion is just flatulence. Just like every new version where the prior version owners were defensive, it is magnified here.
I have more than neutralized any later version advantages

As far as the back seats go, Evora is for those that need the seats no doubt. Those owners will no doubt hang on to the Evora 2+2 till the kids grow up or they really are little people. Most of us found them to be useless for humans however. My gas containers don't fit as well in the seats as they do on the back deck.........
Both are equally Lotus folks...both are Eagle origins

 

[Road Aviator]

I think there are many others here who would disagree. I use the Evora most days for school drop off and pick up. Eventually my kids will be too big, but the backseat is the reason I own an Evora instead of anything else right now. Backseat/MT/isn't a 911= Evora.

It's great you can multitask with it but I don't think having a back seat for children is a high priority for many people who are shopping for a sports / track car.

 

[brgelise]

That is why you buy a Stelvio Quad that can haul, bacon , and kids....I'm coverd just in case my 59 yr old wife gives me news I don't expect........regardless of the source hehe

 

[Brz22]

Look the Evora evolved over the years ending with the Evora GT. However, no Evora ever sold in enough numbers to make a dent for Lotus money wise. Interior wise it really was a bespoke car. Quality did not come close to a Boxster or Cayman. The Emira changes all that and has the looks of an Italian exotic. I don't know what the production numbers are of the Emira, but I keep reading that Lotus cannot build enough of them. Now they (Lotus) is in a Goldilocks situation as Porsche is phasing out the Ice Boxster/Cayman for and EV version. In terms of availability, it seems as if you can only get a PDK turbo 4 cylinder at dealerships right now. If Lotus can build the V6 manual for a few more years they could potentially sell in much higher volumes as there may be limited competition.

 

[ChrisWR]

The weight thing is killing me. ~3175 v 3212. OMG its a poker at 37lbs heavier. Half the owners would benefit from dropping that weight off their person................I can say the same of a GT which is heavier than my S.. 3175 v 3168....and they did a lot of lightening during the build so there is less room to drop easy weight. The 44lb exhaust on the S v 33.8 on the GT just to name one. Lighter flywheel etc.... The only truly lighter Evora is the Sport 410!
You guys are NOT keeping it real with the weight concept.

There are only a handful of us out there down on the 3060 and below zone short of stripping it out and going to track seats etc... Seats on mine would get me below 3000lbs which would make a GT a real porker in comparison.
Even after a 30 minute drive, I feel pretty confident in saying no stock Evora GT will pull a car length on an Emira at LRP in a full lap. I doubt there will be any difference and due to superior damping, I wouldn't be surprised if a pro was faster in an Emira as its transient responses are fabulous. On a back road, this discussion is just flatulence. Just like every new version where the prior version owners were defensive, it is magnified here.
I have more than neutralized any later version advantages

As far as the back seats go, Evora is for those that need the seats no doubt. Those owners will no doubt hang on to the Evora 2+2 till the kids grow up or they really are little people. Most of us found them to be useless for humans however. My gas containers don't fit as well in the seats as they do on the back deck.........
Both are equally Lotus folks...both are Eagle origins

Your USA model GT's seem to be much heavier than the UK models which are 1,320 kg (2,910 lbs) wet weight, and some are even lighter if you opted for the Ohlins Titanium exhaust and carbon sport seats.

 

[imthewalruz]

I though the difference in US and UK cars was mostly due to weighing with/without fluids.

Pretty sure it's exactly the same car excepting front bumper but I don't think there's 200lbs of difference there.

 

[brgelise]

Your USA model GT's seem to be much heavier than the UK models which are 1,320 kg (2,910 lbs) wet weight, and some are even lighter if you opted for the Ohlins Titanium exhaust and carbon sport seats.

Having experienced the stupidity of how easy it is to damage a non Fed car (you know , no styrofoam in the bumpers etc), I will accept the weight penalty. Lotus sent the USA a non federalized car. Bumper pushed against something at 1/4mph, plastic bumper gives NO resistance, so what happens, the bumper pops. New skin required.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your lightweight strippers are missing some options too??? or is this the weight of a CF'd out car a la Sport 410?

 

[Fang911]

Saw a silver Emira at an intersection last week- what a beautiful, head-turning design. But so is the Evora / 400 / GT- and personally I prefer the old school Evora interior. Agree the Evora is likely to be much rarer and it will be a forever car for me. Hopefully can partner it with an Emira GT / 500 / SE in a few years 👍

 

[brgelise]

I have owned them for 14yrs so I am ready for the future.

 

[Strmshdow84]

Saw a silver Emira at an intersection last week- what a beautiful, head-turning design. But so is the Evora / 400 / GT- and personally I prefer the old school Evora interior. Agree the Evora is likely to be much rarer and it will be a forever car for me. Hopefully can partner it with an Emira GT / 500 / SE in a few years 👍

I think the Evora GT's will be rarer, but considering the Evora is 10+ years older, it will be nowhere near rare as an Emira. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be a short run until they move on to EV's. I would think the V6 Emira's would be the rarest, unless you want to count the AMG engine rarer since it'll be the only non Toyota & with a DCT Lotus.

 

[Julian73]

In short:

Evora GT > Evora 400 ≥ Emira > Evora S > Evora

This is all a personal opinion matter. In my view from my experience I rank: Exige 430 > Evora GT430 >Evora Sport 410 >Evora GT410 <>Evora GT <> Emira FE <> Evora S > Evora 400 > Evora

 

[Julian73]

"Sparco seats suck"..........until you use them as intended.

And how are they to be used? They suck on track (lacking side bolster), they suck for long distance driving (lacking thigh support), they suck in weight department ... (all subjectively compared to the S1 Recaro .. I truly believe Lotus cost accounting selected them over the prior Recaro Speedster. Maybe they don't suck for shitting in.

 

[Julian73]

I understand why S1 owners prefer their interiors or even the exterior (subjectively speaking) but the other benefits of the S2 versions far outweigh the interior variations IMO. Shift quality, generally upgraded performance and easier entrance and egress are among the S2 improvements most buyers will discover between the two. Generally the latest builds are the most desirable to my mind. They’re all good tho.


As respects the seats, I find the Sparcos very comfortable and have spent multiple 500 mile 10 to 12 hour days in my 400 in total comfort. They’re all good so it becomes a question of budget in my mind.

People never mention it, but the switch panel ergonomics is so much better in the S2 cars, especially the headlight controls and real DRL's that done drive the interior dash lighting into nighttime at all times (unless you open the SAE plus and jumper the Pink wire.

 

[NC25T]

The weight thing is killing me. ~3175 v 3212. OMG its a poker at 37lbs heavier. Half the owners would benefit from dropping that weight off their person................I can say the same of a GT which is heavier than my S.. 3175 v 3168....and they did a lot of lightening during the build so there is less room to drop easy weight. The 44lb exhaust on the S v 33.8 on the GT just to name one. Lighter flywheel etc.... The only truly lighter Evora is the Sport 410!
You guys are NOT keeping it real with the weight concept.

There are only a handful of us out there down on the 3060 and below zone short of stripping it out and going to track seats etc... Seats on mine would get me below 3000lbs which would make a GT a real porker in comparison.
Even after a 30 minute drive, I feel pretty confident in saying no stock Evora GT will pull a car length on an Emira at LRP in a full lap. I doubt there will be any difference and due to superior damping, I wouldn't be surprised if a pro was faster in an Emira as its transient responses are fabulous. On a back road, this discussion is just flatulence. Just like every new version where the prior version owners were defensive, it is magnified here.
I have more than neutralized any later version advantages

As far as the back seats go, Evora is for those that need the seats no doubt. Those owners will no doubt hang on to the Evora 2+2 till the kids grow up or they really are little people. Most of us found them to be useless for humans however. My gas containers don't fit as well in the seats as they do on the back deck.........
Both are equally Lotus folks...both are Eagle origins

I saw 3,258 lbs for a Emira with 3/4 tank of fuel, my GT weighed 3,160 with a full tank So probably 100-125 lbs difference between the cars, not the 50# you suggest.

This also makes the GT lighter then the S

personally, I would expect the evora GT430 to be faster then the Emira, I would expect Emira with sport suspension would be quicker then a GT, I would expect touring to be slower…..

 

[Strmshdow84]

I saw 3,258 lbs for a Emira with 3/4 tank of fuel, my GT weighed 3,160 with a full tank So probably 100-125 lbs difference between the cars, not the 50# you suggest.

This also makes the GT lighter then the S

personally, I would expect the evora GT430 to be faster then the Emira, I would expect Emira with sport suspension would be quicker then a GT, I would expect touring to be slower…..

As someone said before, a GT vs an Emira is not a apples to apples comparison. Emira vs a 400 should be more comparable.

Maybe the higher trims if they make them will compare better with a GT.

 

[Strmshdow84]

Double post