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Tesla Model S

27K views 71 replies 31 participants last post by  gray  
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#5 ·
well, firstly it seats 5 adults and two children so a total of seven. secondly, it looks like an Aston, has a ten inch touch screen that controls all the cars functions, it will have a range(with the larger battery back) of 500km and it goes from 0-60 in roughly 5 seconds, all while costing little more than the volt :)
 
#7 ·
Beautiful Car. I looked into these a year ago and my research is a little rusty so correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read that the batteries had to be replaced every couple of years for around $18,000.

Not to get off topic but here is another electric car worthy of owning if it weren't so expensive.

 
#20 ·
Beautiful Car. I looked into these a year ago and my research is a little rusty so correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read that the batteries had to be replaced every couple of years for around $18,000.
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#8 ·
Hmmm

I can drive either of my cars to Ohio easily in less than one day.

In an electric car, that'd be 3-4 days.

I'll pass.

or, I'd buy a hybrid.
 
#19 ·
FFS, anyone can come up with an argument against anything.

ANYTHING.

I can bitch about not being able to drive to Hawaii. What? I have to buy a ticket on an AIRPLANE? This car is WORTHLESS.

The fact is: a 150 mile per day range is more than enough for the vast majority of people and their travel habits. It simply makes no sense to reject something because it's ONLY 90% perfect.
 
#26 ·
Just wanna mention, there are batteries in the works RIGHT NOW with ten times the efficiency of today's batteries, that would mean that the tesla model s, which currently has a 500km limit could go 5000km...long enough for you? There are also roads being developed that can charge an electric car when it drives over it, so you can pull into a parking lot and it will charge your car XD
 
#27 ·
Teslas can be topped off usng 220v commercial charge stations, and soon, 440v stations. In the time it takes to stretch ones legs, buy a sandwich, and eat it, you'll be able to charge up the Tesla and gain another 200-300 miles of range. It remains to be seen though if electric cars take off in the US. right now, in the world of driving between cities and suburbs in our 4000+ pound cars and trucks, there is no compelling reason to go electric. Now, if the US government decides to bump the gasoline tax up, raising prices to say $7/gallon, leaving clean diesel alone, then there might be a good reason to switch. So far, our government has used taxes as a means of changing drive habits. We do however, cheerfully use taxes to redistribute wealth and discourage savings... Sadly...
 
#28 ·
I went for a test drive in a Model S Performance today (we're in line to purchase one). We really could care less about the ZOMG IT WILL COST MONEY! arguments - we're buying because it's different from everything else out there. The Prius Plug-in sucks (and I have a Prius).

It was raining, and we were accompanied by a (very cute female) Tesla rep. I tested the traction control on the (straight, empty) onramp of the highway (quite clear of other cars) by simply flooring the accelerator while going in a straight line. The car reacts very aggressively - you can feel the car braking wheels individually - I personally feel like the car is upsetting itself to compensate for the rear wheels slipping. I'm kind of hoping they dial it down a bit by the time we take delivery as I can see my parents panicking while accelerating to highway speed.

This will be the first American car we have bought in over 15 years.
 
#31 ·
I went for a test drive in a Model S Performance today (we're in line to purchase one).
Any other first impresions on the drive? I got to sit in one last week at the Denver dealership. I was impressed by the interior. I've been running the numbers and I am temped to get on the waiting list for the S. The batter range will be even better at altitude with the lower air density. It will be a great Front Range car.
 
#29 ·
Gray, Where did you test drive the car?
 
#32 · (Edited)
I drove a brown P85 at one of the dealerships in the Chicagoland suburbs. I was able drive onto I-94 for a short time in the rain.

Any other first impresions on the drive? I got to sit in one last week at the Denver dealership. I was impressed by the interior. I've been running the numbers and I am temped to get on the waiting list for the S. The batter range will be even better at altitude with the lower air density. It will be a great Front Range car.
Let me start by saying that I'm not a big-soft-couch-luxury-car kind of guy. I'm used to spartan interiors, purely functional controls, a harsh ride, and little sound deadening. A Honda Accord EX is the most "soft" car I drive regularly.

That said - this car is smooth. The ride is the smoothest of any car I've even been in (this includes an old Buick that a family friend used to own). Needless to say, at 55mph, the car was as soft as my Evo IX standing still (with the engine off). Those of us who have driven a hybrid are familiar with the feeling of "regen" deceleration. It's like decelerating on an automatic transmission by taking your foot off the gas - only in the case of the Model S, it's very very apparent. It's more like letting off the gas at 4000rpm in the Elise. As for the power delivery: the engine/drive/whatever response is instantaneous. This is a word that I think automotive writers have been abusing for a long time to mean "very fast." When I say it, it's because you push the pedal and the electric drive wants to GO. Right. Now. The power delivery is like being on boost - the car pushes you into the back of your seat. It's not quite as brutal as the way the Evo accelerates while on full boost, but I can imagine that it's something you'd do after telling your passengers "check this out!" The steering is nice and direct - the car was set to "sport" most of the time I drove it (as this was the performance model). The rep was demonstrating the variable steering response and turned it to "comfort" while we were doing 5mph in the mall parking lot - my response was "please don't turn it to anything but sport." I didn't get to try the variable height suspension - that option was apparently locked out for the demo models. I was amused by the fact that my mother asked "why wouldn't you always leave it at the lowest setting?" Given that I had already freaked out the rep (only a little), I didn't want to test the handling prowess of the car in the rain on the highway offramp. A couple of small irritations - the stalks on the steering wheel are not where I expect them. The right side stalk is much lower than the location on a lot of modern cars (at least those I have driven in my limited experience). Also, I wish a lot more of the controls had actual tactile buttons so I wouldn't constantly be taking my eyes off the road to make adjustments (I'm just the type of person to be messing with the HVAC while I'm driving as opposed to set-it-and-forget-it). As good as the touch screen interface may be - it won't beat buttons and knobs I can feel without looking while driving on the highway.

I personally don't like the aggressiveness of the traction control/stability control - I honestly don't think a car moving in a straight line, when starting to lose grip should react as violently as I experienced. Unfortunately, it seems that the user community at Tesla Motors Club overlaps with the Apple demographic where the response to "I don't like the way the car seems to be unsettling itself" is "It's your fault! You're doing it wrong!" I'm a little disappointed by the idea that a 4500lb luxury sedan is something that I have to approach like the Lotus - driving it with the understanding that the car is trying to get me killed (e.g snap oversteer). I highly recommend going for a test drive in the snow or rain if you can and give the traction and stability control a try for yourself.

After quite a bit of discussion, we decided we wanted a "lowly" 40kwh model. It won't run M5s, it won't go 300 miles on a single charge, and it won't supercharge - but honestly, we don't need any of that. We need a reliable car that will do 80 miles per day that is reasonably well built, and will fit our two dogs. I honestly believe that there is sufficient R&D going into battery research that 8 years from now when the car is due for a battery replacement, we will be upgrading battery capacity anyway. Even if the battery technology completely stagnates where it is now, we don't really need more than what the car is spec'ed for. From an engineering perspective, we need the car to cover the 90% case, not the 190% case where we can envision trying to beat Alex Roy and going 1000 miles in a day and needing the car to charge in 30 seconds. Yes, we could get a Nissan Leaf, but honestly the Tesla is not that much more expensive, and the Model S is clearly a better car.
 
#30 ·
So MikeinAlexandria is right - only the Type 4 chargers are NOW (Green Highway) and can charge your car to 85-90% full in 15-20 minutes. Although not implemented yet, on board programming in the GPS allows for you to reserve a charging station at the appropriate interval time taking into account distance from the station and expected travel time. This allows you to reserve the station for your use when you arrive and no lines meaning that you can probably beat others who have to wait in line for gas.
And without going too far intop tomorrow, change the elctrolyte, not the entire battery. This means that you are nor dependant on huge investments in battery sizes that are tailored to specific location sizes throughout the car. I know Ni-Cad, Li-ion does not have fluid, but battery technology is coming.
I was told that when the first Tesla cars were produced, they opted to not go with fast chrger technology so Tesla owners could not use the Type 4 fast-chargers.
And while inductive charging is seen as working for buses or cars parked all day, it is not seen as viable until (forever, basically) charging technology and a lot of other technologies change. There are three? test fleets in the U.S. now using this technology - Utah State University and two others.
 
#33 ·
I saw one here in NC, plugged into our chic free electric charge stations next to a Leaf. Pretty impressive, but was at night. I was just totally surprised to see it.
 
#34 ·
The Model S is starting to get pretty common, (perhaps more common than the Roadster) here in the San Francisco area...
 
#39 ·
I wonder how much of a range hit they will take when the temperature in Chicago goes down close to zero?

I've driven the old Tesla roadster, and these pure electrics definitely have a LETS GO RIGHT NOW feel when you punch the accelerator, accentuated by the eerie lack of noise. I've also seen the sedan, and heard Elon Musk speak at a function in Chicago. Impressive guy, in a socially awkward kind of way--clearly very bright. He talked more about SpaceX than Tesla. Very interesting stuff. I hope the car succeeds.
 
#43 ·
We reserved a 40kwh, and it looks like they're cancelling production of that battery. Instead, we get a free upgrade to a 60kwh battery that will be software limited (but we can unlock in the future for a fee).



Tesla announced some very exciting news today and we want to make sure you are aware of the updates being made to your Model S order and a few options that are now available.

You may have seen our press release today that announced the small battery option for the Model S will not enter production, due to lack of demand. Only four percent of customers chose the 40 kWh battery pack, which is not enough to justify production of that version.

Customers who ordered the small battery option will instead receive the 60 kWh pack, but range will be software limited to 40 kWh. It will still have the improved acceleration and top speed of the bigger pack, so will be a better product than you originally ordered, and can be upgraded to the range of the 60 kWh pack upon request by you or a future owner.

Your current Model S order will now be automatically updated to include the software limited 60 kWh battery. If you would like to upgrade to full 60 kWh range now, before your car goes into production, you can do so for $10,000. If you choose not to upgrade now, you have the option to upgrade to full 60 kWh range at a later date for $11,000.

If you choose to upgrade your battery, you can then also purchase the Supercharger upgrade and receive unlimited, free long distance travel for life. Supercharging can be added before production for $2,000, or at a later date for $2,500.

We have one other piece of good news to share, your car will be produced sooner as a result of this change. Therefore, it is important that we know right away if you would like to upgrade your battery to full 60 kWh range and add Supercharging. We are available to upgrade your order or answer any questions you have at 888.771.2505 (select option 1).