[me73]

The Elise/Exige has had four different Toyota engines in at least 8 states of tune not to mention the 4 variations of Rover engines. There's plenty of history to believe that if the 2GR is no longer available they can use a different engine.

But that's assuming Toyota needs to sell new cars with that engine in order to keep producing it, with is completely false. Toyota can keep making the engine forever as long as there's demand. It's very profitable to do so, actually. Lotus isn't buying them in the secondary market, or eBay.

 

[Catsailr27]

The Elise/Exige has had four different Toyota engines in at least 8 states of tune not to mention the 4 variations of Rover engines. There's plenty of history to believe that if the 2GR is no longer available they can use a different engine.

But that's assuming Toyota needs to sell new cars with that engine in order to keep producing it, with is completely false. Toyota can keep making the engine forever as long as there's demand. It's very profitable to do so, actually. Lotus isn't buying them in the secondary market, or eBay.

Wow didn't realize that. Do you know what the different Toyota engines were? I knew there were different tune levels.

 

[Dylan]

The Elise/Exige has had four different Toyota engines in at least 8 states of tune not to mention the 4 variations of Rover engines. There's plenty of history to believe that if the 2GR is no longer available they can use a different engine.

But that's assuming Toyota needs to sell new cars with that engine in order to keep producing it, with is completely false. Toyota can keep making the engine forever as long as there's demand. It's very profitable to do so, actually. Lotus isn't buying them in the secondary market, or eBay.

And I would just add that both Ford and Mopar for example continue to sell crate engines when they certainly don't need to, but thankfully they still know there is a small group of people who have older cars, etc. Yes, okay, these fit cars made by the millions, but my point is that these must still be generally low volume because the basic engines are easy to rebuild and parts are plentiful so the market for actual complete engines must be small but they still offer them.

 

[Catsailr27]

And I would just add that both Ford and Mopar for example continue to sell crate engines when they certainly don't need to, but thankfully they still know there is a small group of people who have older cars, etc. Yes, okay, these fit cars made by the millions, but my point is that these must still be generally low volume because the basic engines are easy to rebuild and parts are plentiful so the market for actual complete engines must be small but they still offer them.

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[me73]

Wow didn't realize that. Do you know what the different Toyota engines were? I knew there were different tune levels.

In NA we only got the 2zz but in Europe they got the 2zz, 1zz, 2zr and 1zr 4 cylinders. There's also the 2gr v6 in the s3 Exige. So 5 engines, actually.

 

[Catsailr27]

In NA we only got the 2zz but in Europe they got the 2zz, 1zz, 2zr and 1zr 4 cylinders. There's also the 2gr v6 in the s3 Exige. So 5 engines, actually.

I misunderstood I thought you meant there was four variations of the 2zz.

 

[Dylan]

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Would be interesting to drill down to only gasoline, only under 4 L, only new, onlu US, etc. That's a lot of engines but maybe that includes things like motorhones and buses and any other speciality vehicles where the engine is sourced separately?

 

[Wiz33]

The Elise/Exige has had four different Toyota engines in at least 8 states of tune not to mention the 4 variations of Rover engines. There's plenty of history to believe that if the 2GR is no longer available they can use a different engine.

But that's assuming Toyota needs to sell new cars with that engine in order to keep producing it, with is completely false. Toyota can keep making the engine forever as long as there's demand. It's very profitable to do so, actually. Lotus isn't buying them in the secondary market, or eBay.

Ok, Keep living in your dream world if Lotus giving their dealer a order cutoff date is not enough for you. People with better connection with Toyota have also said the last 2GR-FE shipment will be Q3 2025. Toyota do still use some 2GR-FXX model in their current lineup but they have a different block and will not take a supercharger on top.

 

[me73]

Ok, Keep living in your dream world if Lotus giving their dealer a order cutoff date is not enough for you. People with better connection with Toyota have also said the last 2GR-FE shipment will be Q3 2025. Toyota do still use some 2GR-FXX model in their current lineup but they have a different block and will not take a supercharger on top.

You even said in your initial post that the cut off date being related to engine availability is an ASSUMPTION. Even your own information is conjecture. Sorry, I've seen a lot of guessing and rumors regarding Lotus offerings over the years. One hearsay report from one dealer isn't enough to overcome my skepticism. I could make a bunch of guesses about the accuracy of the message and the reasoning for it, but that would be a waste of internet space.

 

[Wiz33]

You even said in your initial post that the cut off date being related to engine availability is an ASSUMPTION. Even your own information is conjecture. Sorry, I've seen a lot of guessing and rumors regarding Lotus offerings over the years. One hearsay report from one dealer isn't enough to overcome my skepticism. I could make a bunch of guesses about the accuracy of the message and the reasoning for it, but that would be a waste of internet space.

People with better connection to Toyota in Japan have already chimed in that final 2GR-FE shipment will be Q3 2025. The only uncertainty is not knowing if they will fill the quantity requested from the OEMs or just allocationing remaining production capacity among them.

 

[lotusquacious]

Lotus really should be thinking ahead to cater to clients who don't want a four banger at this price. It's a tough situation with the GTS being similar in price while delivering that 4.0 six with a choice of either transmission, both being outstanding. I configured a very nice GTS for $108K. A four pot Emira is $100K. You really have to want the Emira. The same could be said when comparing the C8. As always with Lotus, it must be an affair of the heart because the head will take considerable convincing in order to make the case for the AMG for many if not most shoppers.

 

[cheaydon]

Dealer and Lotus USA have confirmed 15Feb2025 is the cutoff for V6 Emira orders. Will Euro emissions kill the V6? Couldn't get a comment on that. I have ordered V6 6 Speed in Ember Orange (1 of 50 in North America).

 

[brgelise]

Lotus really should be thinking ahead to cater to clients who don't want a four banger at this price. It's a tough situation with the GTS being similar in price while delivering that 4.0 six with a choice of either transmission, both being outstanding. I configured a very nice GTS for $108K. A four pot Emira is $100K. You really have to want the Emira. The same could be said when comparing the C8. As always with Lotus, it must be an affair of the heart because the head will take considerable convincing in order to make the case for the AMG for many if not most shoppers.

Isn't the 4.0 motor production ending as well or at least in the candyman?
No different than folks like me actually preferring the P400 Range Rover with the brilliant 3.0TT v the P525 with the ever troublesome 4.4TT Beemer motor. We don't need more cylinders to provide more power anymore. If you can stand looking at a GTS, go for it. They are just another Porsche to me................don't they all look the same. Looking back, the original Cayenne was truly hideous. You guys know I laugh at that stuff. At least everybody loves my little 500e thus far.
I know the 2GRFe limitations better than most here......enough issues that I wasn't looking forward to spending another 5K to correct them before they detonated rest of motor this time.....PRECATS are a bigger problem than most realize.

 

[HydroJim]

Trying to justify the 4 cylinder in a 3200 lb, $100k sport car is like when women say your 'member' is the "perfect size" because "the big ones can hurt."

 

[GuppyCaptain]

Well, this news has me reconsidering listing my V6 manual GT for sale. My hope was that Lotus was going to keep upping the ante on the Emira with newer versions that were lighter and more powerful (I’ve given up on a targa anything from them). However, with this news I don’t ever see a justification to switch to an EmIra. No I don’t want a paddle shift four cylinder that sounds nowhere near as sexy as my V6 manual. So if this is the direction the Emira is headed then I have no interest.

Oh, and I love my analog GT gauges.

 

[Wiz33]

Dealer and Lotus USA have confirmed 15Feb2025 is the cutoff for V6 Emira orders. Will Euro emissions kill the V6? Couldn't get a comment on that. I have ordered V6 6 Speed in Ember Orange (1 of 50 in North America).

I was offered my pick of the three that my dealer already has on order but I already have my V6 manual and my i4 have just arrived. What am I going to do with 3 Emiras? 😂

 

[lotusquacious]

Isn't the 4.0 motor production ending as well or at least in the candyman?
No different than folks like me actually preferring the P400 Range Rover with the brilliant 3.0TT v the P525 with the ever troublesome 4.4TT Beemer motor. We don't need more cylinders to provide more power anymore. If you can stand looking at a GTS, go for it. They are just another Porsche to me................don't they all look the same. Looking back, the original Cayenne was truly hideous. You guys know I laugh at that stuff. At least everybody loves my little 500e thus far.
I know the 2GRFe limitations better than most here......enough issues that I wasn't looking forward to spending another 5K to correct them before they detonated rest of motor this time.....PRECATS are a bigger problem than most realize.

I will shorthand this by sayin that Lotus has always been an choice.

Isn't the 4.0 motor production ending as well or at least in the candyman?
No different than folks like me actually preferring the P400 Range Rover with the brilliant 3.0TT v the P525 with the ever troublesome 4.4TT Beemer motor. We don't need more cylinders to provide more power anymore. If you can stand looking at a GTS, go for it. They are just another Porsche to me................don't they all look the same. Looking back, the original Cayenne was truly hideous. You guys know I laugh at that stuff. At least everybody loves my little 500e thus far.
I know the 2GRFe limitations better than most here......enough issues that I wasn't looking forward to spending another 5K to correct them before they detonated rest of motor this time.....PRECATS are a bigger problem than most realize.

TBH, I don't follow Porsche that closely but I believe it's the 911 that is going hybrid. Maybe both will be so saddled, I'm not sure but for now you can buy the 4.0 at the price I indicated. That you prefer the looks of the Emira (for the record, I do too) remains a subjective judgement. I should add that I think the Porsche twins are very well sculpted if not quite to Lotus' high styling standards. However, I don't see the majority of people making their choice based solely on the outer skin. Getting past that, in the P cars you have superb transmissions, natural aspiration with very high redlines, a fleshed out dealer network and very high quality build, plus a frunk. That's certainly going to be compelling for a lot of folks. Maybe not for you, but Doc, you and I are outliers in the market. Anyway, Lotus' announced future is also hybrid. Of course, we won't see any of those cars for years so the competition for Lotus today boils down to the two cars, Porsche or Corvette. It's simply reality. You buy the Lotus to be unique, perhaps for its other qualities too and to stand out from the crowd. The crowd of course, is gobbling up the Porches and Chevys leaving Lotus with the crumbs. Same as it ever was.

 

[brgelise]

Kew, I just can't get past the while Bazi thing and that German arrogance I have experienced first hand. Their concept of beauty is like Wagner.... harsh

 

[Jime0617]

Got this from my dealer today:

"I was just told by LOTUS that they are limiting production of the V6. We are assuming engines are dwindling. Because of this, THIS IS THE LAST MONTH TO ORDER A 2025 V6 EMIRA. I have until Feb 15 to place my orders.

This will come as a surprise to most of you, who were prepping to place an order later this year. Welcome to Lotus.

More iterations of the Emira might be in the future, including hybrid, for now we will only have the Base i4 AMG production to look forward to next year."

You may get an order in through a dealer, but the V6 option is no longer on the Lotus Cars website.

 

[carbuff]

Lotus really should be thinking ahead to cater to clients who don't want a four banger at this price.

You would think Lotus learned a lesson when they only sold a 4-pot Esprit, even though it was in the top-performing range of supercars, in the early '90s.

For many years, the 4 cyl spec held down the price of used Esprits (which AHEM was how we were able to afford one).

WAIT...Lotus learned a lesson? Forget I said that. 🤪