I see so many dealers with unsold FE and/or 2024 Emira’s sitting on their lots. Not just 1 or 2, but MANY! So, what gives? I know all the early and ongoing quality issues, delays, etc, but it seems that the unsold backlog grows by the day. I had a second round, FE ‘24 spec’ed, ordered and delivered too, but the ongoing quality and growing, rapid depreciation situations scared me away before I took delivery. Glad I didn’t bite back in the Fall. “My” car still sits on my dealer’s lot to this day, along with at least 8 others. I think my dealer sold 1 or 2, with Galpin in LA in even worse shape, sitting on dozens sitting. Tough times!
So many unsold Emira’s?
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Read about all of us who are having no issues, and loving life with their V6 manual. Read about the guys who’ve put tens of thousands of miles (and not easy miles) on theirs.
If you judge the state of the economy solely on the basis of one company going out of business, you’re missing the point.
Def wait for an Emira, they will bring joy. Better yet, buy a Tacoma; no, wait, a 1984 Volvo 240…
Don’t believe the alternative facts
There are examples of part failures on every single car ever made. Name a car, and I’ll show you a hundred internet posts about how it broke down and infuriated the owner.
To me, that’s not how you measure the worth of an exotic car.
I hope to see a sub-100k Koenigsegg.
Speaking of which, so cool how the CC850 looks a lot like the GT in profile…
Haha fair, CC850s are gorgeous. To be frank, I'm trying to convince myself one way or the other with the V6 vs AMG debate. If I'm going to seek out something else for my manual mid-engine pleasure, it makes logical sense to seek out the i4 Emira instead so I have something more reasonable for traffic concerns... but the way the manual shift linkages are shown in the V6 are quite an eye catching center piece; that and the beautifully shown engine.
'17 Evora 400MT, Racing Green, KT 430, Carbon, 3rd cat
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BRG runs his vehicles hard and tracks them routinely. I'm not saying the V6 is perfect by any means but I haven't had any issues with the drive train. My car is 7 years old, has been tracked only once and has 24K miles. OK, not so many miles but given my typical spirited but relatively conservative use patterns, I really don't think the drive train is the Achilles heel of this car. I think the Toyota is a plus, not a minus, when it comes to reliability. If you do a lot of WOT track work, you will pay the piper with any car. As with aircraft, stresses accumulate and heavy use means maintenance and repair costs will be higher. but the GR-FE is a very robust package and capable of going the distance.
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Unfortunately, all that lovely machining is displayed down by one's ankles and isn't actually visible when you're driving the car. It's s nice Easter egg but it doesn't make the Emira a Stryker. I'm starting to think the AMG is the way to go. Unfortunately this means accepting a 4 cylinder 100K car which for me, whose first new BMW cost $4500, such a consideration is a feat of mental gymnastics.
The modern world is simply overflowing with disappointments. I think dropping from six to four is among the least of those. We are watching it get ever weirder and more disconcerting. "What a world! What a world! I'm melting!" (with apologies to the Wizard of Oz).
2021 RS5 Sportback Ascari Launch Edition and a 2024 Emira FE V6 manual
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I was looking at $250K plus supercars but decided that all have too much electronics in them and lacks feeling I want a car that makes me feel connected to the road or feels like and extension of me. Decided to give the "P" brand a try after the i4 was delayed (I missed the initial FE V6 allocation). It was decent till I chanced upon the orphaned V6 that was the exact spec that I wanted last April and I grabbed it. The 718S have been sitting in my office warehouse ever since except for when I take it out for a weekend every other week. I also wanted one each of the last ICE car by Lotus.
Frankly the price is much, but also the lack of well, showmanship, a plastic cover instead of a proud shown supercharger is kind of disappointing given the price point. Capability really does make it tempting though, but maybe at a lower price point.
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The past 10 years of used car value appreciation is an anomaly. It is normal for cars to lose value as they're driven off the lot. It is abnormal for them to hold or increase value. Especially Porsches, there is no other point in history where a 911, even a special model, is worth more than the sticker price when it's new or just purchased. I remember when the 89 speedsters, club sports, and RS Americas were sitting at the dealer languishing. This is important to remember.
It's also very normal for Lotus to have cars sitting at the dealer. As recently as the EvoraGT we saw cars that were 1 or even 2 years old going to their first owners.
We're returning to normal.
It's also very normal for Lotus to have cars sitting at the dealer. As recently as the EvoraGT we saw cars that were 1 or even 2 years old going to their first owners.
We're returning to normal.
Indeed nmany folks have gone MANY miles on their Evora. My tranny vent as explained, has nothing to do with tracktime.
The dealerships would void a warranty if you gunned the car at a dealership as that caused many precats to blow out. This fact comes straight from my dealer...it was news to me. Preemptive install of headers is almost mandatory and my dealer encouraged it! 3K and bloody hands now or a 20k motor pull and rebuild later.
I patiently wait for Lotus to stop pulling my chain with detuned versions......................it has always been one of their biggest BS factors, esp with the Eliges. They shortdicked us with the Evora 430 too.
The dealerships would void a warranty if you gunned the car at a dealership as that caused many precats to blow out. This fact comes straight from my dealer...it was news to me. Preemptive install of headers is almost mandatory and my dealer encouraged it! 3K and bloody hands now or a 20k motor pull and rebuild later.
I patiently wait for Lotus to stop pulling my chain with detuned versions......................it has always been one of their biggest BS factors, esp with the Eliges. They shortdicked us with the Evora 430 too.
Even Porsche made **** that didn't sell.....................
I think history and the facts suggest you are blowing this issue way out of proportion…
All those that have an S2 and had this issue caused by gunning it, please stand up.
Didn’t think so…
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This is because Lexus/Toyota learned that reducing their inventory allows them to sell cars with less discounts. So they sell less but have a higher margin on them than ever before. They are maybe one of the only car companies that can do this because of their perceived quality means their demand still stays relatively high. Great for Toyota but bad for consumers.
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My friend's GT had the pre cats replaced under warranty.
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My dealer advised that the manifold-cat issues that they heard of was due to not allowing the manifold-cats to come to temp before shutting down (think of starting a car and just moving a few feet etc.). Which, I'm sure is done numerous times before someone even gets their new car (dealer lots/onto truck etc.). When the dealer moved my car a few feet into a different bay, they let it idle for several minutes before they shut if off.
They stated that every time the car is started, no matter what reason, it should be given enough time for the manifold-cats to heat up. This was to avoid early breakdown of the internals. And, if someone is stupid enough to rev a car before everything is warmed up.... well crap happens.
On a side note, (as annoying as it can be) there has only been a handful of tranny vent issues reported.
They stated that every time the car is started, no matter what reason, it should be given enough time for the manifold-cats to heat up. This was to avoid early breakdown of the internals. And, if someone is stupid enough to rev a car before everything is warmed up.... well crap happens.
On a side note, (as annoying as it can be) there has only been a handful of tranny vent issues reported.
Does the Emira use the same catalytic setup as the Evora? To which should this be an issue to be concerned by? I was already interested in getting the headers from valvetronic but now you're just made it much more enticing if so!
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V6 Emira uses the same manifold-cats. But, I wouldn't be overly concerned. Since 2011, I've only read of 4-5 cars that had an issue (including overseas). There could be more, but its not like its wide spread. And, we do not know the history of those cars (use/ maintenance/issues?)
Of course, cat failures can be caused by many issues. Which is a good reason not to ignore CELs.
It happened at dealerships before any ownership ever occurred so you you ain't going to see any stand ups sir. Feel free to discuss with Steve Splona at New London Lotus. I didn't make this up, I didn't even know it was real. He was quite direct about it. It happened to folks that cared more about the sound of the motor (raise your hand if that's you) than the actual performance of the motor.
Apparently uninformed.
V6 is same motor....btw isn't this a classic cars n cofee move. Start your car and rev it up for the fan boys. Have never spent a day doing this nancy stuff so I am all ears.
Not suggesting it was made up, just that it’s being blown out of proportion. My dealer had heard of it, but never had it happen to them. (or so they say). And if it happened at dealerships but very rarely in the real world, isn't that proving the point?
But such distant anecdotes and internet horror stories and scary rarities wouldn’t be a reason for someone not enjoy such a car…or at least, not a good reason. Or not a good reason for a car guy, which most Lotus owners are.
And just to be clear to those who want the facts, there is a catalytic converter integrated into each exhaust manifold in S2 cars everywhere, and 3rd catalytic converter only in cars destined for US and Chinese markets. There are pre-cat oxygen sensors but no precats.
The Elan had a pre-cat, and was a source of some trouble, which may be contributing to the wild stories and irrational fears...
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If it happened at a dealership before any ownership ever occurred, maybe it was the young lot jockey revving it up. I find it hard to believe a brand new, unsold car would have manifold-cat failure without abuse.
Its not a typical failure that we have seen. I know it happened to you (plus the tranny breather seepage etc.) but you drove your car hard for many seasons without mentioning many issues.
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