So, if it's all the same and just as good, why can't you get my KF tune to work?
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Sounds like a fish......flopping on the beach.......dying!
You are right, the consumer will decide........
You are right, the consumer will decide........
Hey Julius, with all respect, I sent you a different FW Version to work with (since there is an obvious bug in the Lotus Track FW) and I didn't get a reply from you.
Also switching to a different intake and telling me afterwards (it was not on the list) is not the the way to make it work.
PLUS no, it's not the same, it IS a different product...
Also switching to a different intake and telling me afterwards (it was not on the list) is not the the way to make it work.
PLUS no, it's not the same, it IS a different product...
Because you didn't answer my emails...you don't have a Skype account and the only way you communicate is by e-mail...and choose to ignore them boot! I took matters in my own hands to try and solve the tune problem. Go review my e-mails. If you take a look and read your e-mails, I'm waiting for a response from you as I write this. I will gladly change the intake back to the TRD intake if I get cooperation from you to sort this tune out. I paid for this tune on 3 February 2013 and it still is not working. Also, tuning is a systematic approach...I tell you the problem with my tune and you just throw another file at me that does not solve the problem, just gives me another one.
I really don't know...but comparisons are make here and I just added a data point. Then KoldFire came in and said that I was the cause of it...I'm just setting the record straight. The original tune did not work at the top end. KoldFire did not respond and I was told that the tune provided me was a copy that worked great on another car. Since I was not getting any guidance from KoldFire, I took the initiative to try and solve my own problems by changing the intake. My problem was with the high end, I thought the other car had a better intake and could breath better. I swapped it out, but that did not cure my tuning problem. So...here I am. Is this a good data point...?
Hi <@¿@> {sorry i dont know your name!}
I've done all the possible bolt-on upgrades to my Cup in a period of over one year and throughout Lukas was very responsive and never let me down.
Yes, I have had many issues like your own but I can assure you that most of those issues were hardware related.
I must admit that Lukas' communication might be conservative, but whenever it is related to his flashes, he never let me down for more than one hour!
I run the 300 flash right now and the performance is astonishing.
I hope you can re-establish a right contact with Luke and get your car healthy again.
Thanks,
Wael
OK - I split this out of the http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f171/want-tune-your-06-07-heres-big-secret-132858/ thread to keep it focussed on the new software without simply deleting all of your posts.
Let me know if you want any changes to the title or thread!
Let me know if you want any changes to the title or thread!
I need to send out a big thanks to Phil for fixing my fueling issue with the new software last night. We stayed up later than I would like to admit testing several new maps until Phil found the cause of my lean condition. Because of my altitude (6,800 ft) I was running in a very low load map which is not normally modified.
Phil would email me a file, I could upload it to the ECU, test drive it and report the results, all in about 20 minutes. We still have some data logging to complete and some small tweaking of the file, but the main problem has been found and solved. Thanks Phil for making my Elise safe to drive again. :clap:
Phil would email me a file, I could upload it to the ECU, test drive it and report the results, all in about 20 minutes. We still have some data logging to complete and some small tweaking of the file, but the main problem has been found and solved. Thanks Phil for making my Elise safe to drive again. :clap:
Hey ERP, I'm curious. I assume your using the stock transmission.
Any issue handling that HP. I've always been of the opinion that
the stock tranny would hold if it was treated respectfully.
Do you track the car at all?
Any issue handling that HP. I've always been of the opinion that
the stock tranny would hold if it was treated respectfully.
Do you track the car at all?
There are a lot of people out there with significantly more hp than I am making on the stock transmission. That was the problem with my previous tune, I was making too little hp due to the altitude for it to run correctly. My last dyno was 199 whp uncorrected with the equipment listed in my signature. My clutch did begin to slip after my first autocross years ago. I have upgraded it and the flywheel. But other than that my transmission has been fine.
ERP,
You have a VERY similar setup as the one I am building.
What size fuel pump? Injectors?
Non-intercooled right? Any worries about the 3.2" pulley causing too much heat?
I had planned on going with 3.4 to be safe but am curious to hear your/phil's thoughts....
Let us know how it feels when finished. Can't wait to see some results!
You have a VERY similar setup as the one I am building.
What size fuel pump? Injectors?
Non-intercooled right? Any worries about the 3.2" pulley causing too much heat?
I had planned on going with 3.4 to be safe but am curious to hear your/phil's thoughts....
Let us know how it feels when finished. Can't wait to see some results!
although Kold Fire tunes have given me good back up service, they could not tune my car properly from 6,000 miles away ( i'm in Australia ). I removed it and replaced my ECU with the Adaptronic ecu from Simply sports cars. This is the best way to go guys. I just changed my pulley to a 2.9 and with a quick run on the dyno, my mechanic was able to adjust the air/ fuel settings and all is running smoothly.
Hi JJ,,
These are the modifications I have:
- 2bular 8" exhaust, 18" long
- Decat
- 2bular Headers
- 3inch pulley
- TRD Air Filter
the car is running perfect power. However I have had the common 'red light idle stop' syndrome as well as significant loss of power (AFR's @16!) and it turned out that it was a MAF issue, due to the former drop-in oiled K&N i have had before.
I changed the MAF twice (because the second time i was stubborn enough to keep the K&N) and I am now on my 3rd MAF and it is ok.
The idle-stop is still present but rarely does it happen. I am suspecting a vaccum leak or an exhaust leak, since i don't really trust the workmanship of the mechanic who changed my hardware.
In spite of all the above, the power is strong all the range and the performance is far greater than stock.
Cheers,
Wael
These are the modifications I have:
- 2bular 8" exhaust, 18" long
- Decat
- 2bular Headers
- 3inch pulley
- TRD Air Filter
the car is running perfect power. However I have had the common 'red light idle stop' syndrome as well as significant loss of power (AFR's @16!) and it turned out that it was a MAF issue, due to the former drop-in oiled K&N i have had before.
I changed the MAF twice (because the second time i was stubborn enough to keep the K&N) and I am now on my 3rd MAF and it is ok.
The idle-stop is still present but rarely does it happen. I am suspecting a vaccum leak or an exhaust leak, since i don't really trust the workmanship of the mechanic who changed my hardware.
In spite of all the above, the power is strong all the range and the performance is far greater than stock.
Cheers,
Wael
I think my head would explode if I tried to make sense of this thread (and the one it came from) so I just have one question.
If I add a REV300 kit to my stock '06 Elise...do I need to know what the hell you guys are talking about?
If I add a REV300 kit to my stock '06 Elise...do I need to know what the hell you guys are talking about?
I don't know what a REV300 kit is... If it is a complete package of parts (all very specific) and none of the parts are changed, then I would think not. I would think that "they" would have it all worked out. "They" must have gotten their good name from some place. Now I'm assuming that you are getting a KoldFire flash with a very well defined set of performance parts.
JJ,,
I'm sorry i forgot to mention that i do have the RLS intercooler!
If you have time follow my build link, it's quite long but full of pictures and info: http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f157/more-muscles-cup-108954/
Wael
I'm sorry i forgot to mention that i do have the RLS intercooler!
If you have time follow my build link, it's quite long but full of pictures and info: http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f157/more-muscles-cup-108954/
Wael
I believe that Kold-Fire and Vision Function both very much still have a huge opportunity to answer the goals of this community. The FastWorks solution, based on what we have been told, does look to offer the greatest feature set yet, but I do not see it "revolutionizing" the community like we intialy thought it would. The solution is very cost prohibitive and it still lacks practical aspects to benefit the community.
FastWorks was developed like every previous solution to be a commercial product to benefit the creator. I want to stress that there is nothing wrong with this, but what the community is looking for is something that benefits us, and we know that the creator will probably have to make some sacrifices to do that.
The 06-07 cars are not $50-70,000 cars anymore. Its 7 years later. These are used cars that are in the $20-30K range. The customer base is changing. $2000 for an ECU solution is not as viable an option to the 20 somethings as it was to somewhat well off people that were buying these cars new. Outside of the community, things are very different economically then they were back then as well. There will be some customers who have the money to get this solution, and I'm not counting myself out of that group. But for many people they will look at the price and instantly reject the possibility.
I am not saying that FastWorks is not worth the cost. It offers many conviences over standalone and the price is in accordance with that. The customer base is what I'm worried about.
Also like every solution previous, FastWorks again limits the channels through which the customer can attain and use the product. Again we have to go through 1 company, comprised of 1 or 2 people. And again we, the community, have no way of using this product for developement that benefits others. Some of the older members may remember CharlieX's time here. He was for all intents and purposes a god amongst men here. Hindsight doesn't matter, at the time he was the answer. Where is Charlie now? He's gone. It doesn't matter why he left, it only matters that he left. Luckily Vision Function was able to secure the rights to the intellectual property. But Charlie's input to the community is gone and we do not know if there is any further development on the product.
Kold-Fire is the same way. The product itself comes from Germany (or there abouts
). It's sold though Phil at BOE. And if you want a custom tune you go through Phil at BOE. Phil could be the most knowledgeable person in the community and he could be a god among men, but the problem still remains he's just 1 guy. Which means you as the customer have do deal with either waiting in line to get helped or having to work around Phil's personal life (which he deserves to have). Maybe I'm unlucky or maybe Phil blacklisted me, but I haven't gotten a email replied to for probably a year now. Either way its irrelavent, because it only proves the problem of having such a bottleneck. But the reality is that Phil could go away at any moment. Either from truly terrible reasons to something as simple as him wanting to spend more time with his family. We can't predict the paths and opportunities that will open for us. You also have the problem that Kansas has been trying very hard to beat Alaska this year for snowfall .
Sector111's solution, while largely unheard of, is the same deal as the rest.
What this community needs, and what no one has attempted to deliver, is a product that is affordable and one that the community can carry on. We need something that is only a couple hundred dollars to purchase (not including any external periphials). We need something that programers other then original author can contribute to. This is why early on I asked Hackish if the software would be built on a module basis. We also need the right to be able to the use solution to help others. If I want to purchase the program and then have another member come over to my house so that we can get his car tweaked, we should have that ability. Charging us a small fee in some way is understandable, but the idea that every single person has to pay thousand plus dollars is not sustainable.
When the community has access to such tools, then we will see a revolution. Then we will see people express creativity because they will not be limited by the tuning aspect. Someone out there could have the greatest idea for a part for the car, but with zero prospect of being able to tune for it, the idea will never materialize. We are going to get into a situation, and really we are already there, where only a few people will have the ability to sell products for these cars because they will be only the ones that have the ability to actually make the parts work as part of a system, as well being part of a system that anyone can use.
You say that all the other solutions are inferior to FastWorks. From a features point of view that may be very well be true, but if the software could meet the above requests I guarantee they would be successfull and have a legacy in the community. Legacy doesn't put food in your kids mouth, and as a "software guy" I truely appreciate that fact, but it does go a long way with things that money can't buy.
Someone likened FastWorks to Hondata. Hondata intially was the same problem. You had to send your ECU to them, and only certified & licensed tuners could use the software. It was also about a grand (or more for other options). It was something that only the more well off or dedicated could use at the time. Not alot changed during that time period. After a couple years Hondata finally decided to release the tuning software to public and thats when the Honda scene blew up. Eventually even free solutions emerged and the amount of community development and accomplishment in that scene is astounding. All because of access.
Thank you for reading my personal thoughts and speculations on this matter.
FastWorks was developed like every previous solution to be a commercial product to benefit the creator. I want to stress that there is nothing wrong with this, but what the community is looking for is something that benefits us, and we know that the creator will probably have to make some sacrifices to do that.
The 06-07 cars are not $50-70,000 cars anymore. Its 7 years later. These are used cars that are in the $20-30K range. The customer base is changing. $2000 for an ECU solution is not as viable an option to the 20 somethings as it was to somewhat well off people that were buying these cars new. Outside of the community, things are very different economically then they were back then as well. There will be some customers who have the money to get this solution, and I'm not counting myself out of that group. But for many people they will look at the price and instantly reject the possibility.
I am not saying that FastWorks is not worth the cost. It offers many conviences over standalone and the price is in accordance with that. The customer base is what I'm worried about.
Also like every solution previous, FastWorks again limits the channels through which the customer can attain and use the product. Again we have to go through 1 company, comprised of 1 or 2 people. And again we, the community, have no way of using this product for developement that benefits others. Some of the older members may remember CharlieX's time here. He was for all intents and purposes a god amongst men here. Hindsight doesn't matter, at the time he was the answer. Where is Charlie now? He's gone. It doesn't matter why he left, it only matters that he left. Luckily Vision Function was able to secure the rights to the intellectual property. But Charlie's input to the community is gone and we do not know if there is any further development on the product.
Kold-Fire is the same way. The product itself comes from Germany (or there abouts
). It's sold though Phil at BOE. And if you want a custom tune you go through Phil at BOE. Phil could be the most knowledgeable person in the community and he could be a god among men, but the problem still remains he's just 1 guy. Which means you as the customer have do deal with either waiting in line to get helped or having to work around Phil's personal life (which he deserves to have). Maybe I'm unlucky or maybe Phil blacklisted me, but I haven't gotten a email replied to for probably a year now. Either way its irrelavent, because it only proves the problem of having such a bottleneck. But the reality is that Phil could go away at any moment. Either from truly terrible reasons to something as simple as him wanting to spend more time with his family. We can't predict the paths and opportunities that will open for us. You also have the problem that Kansas has been trying very hard to beat Alaska this year for snowfall .Sector111's solution, while largely unheard of, is the same deal as the rest.
What this community needs, and what no one has attempted to deliver, is a product that is affordable and one that the community can carry on. We need something that is only a couple hundred dollars to purchase (not including any external periphials). We need something that programers other then original author can contribute to. This is why early on I asked Hackish if the software would be built on a module basis. We also need the right to be able to the use solution to help others. If I want to purchase the program and then have another member come over to my house so that we can get his car tweaked, we should have that ability. Charging us a small fee in some way is understandable, but the idea that every single person has to pay thousand plus dollars is not sustainable.
When the community has access to such tools, then we will see a revolution. Then we will see people express creativity because they will not be limited by the tuning aspect. Someone out there could have the greatest idea for a part for the car, but with zero prospect of being able to tune for it, the idea will never materialize. We are going to get into a situation, and really we are already there, where only a few people will have the ability to sell products for these cars because they will be only the ones that have the ability to actually make the parts work as part of a system, as well being part of a system that anyone can use.
You say that all the other solutions are inferior to FastWorks. From a features point of view that may be very well be true, but if the software could meet the above requests I guarantee they would be successfull and have a legacy in the community. Legacy doesn't put food in your kids mouth, and as a "software guy" I truely appreciate that fact, but it does go a long way with things that money can't buy.
Someone likened FastWorks to Hondata. Hondata intially was the same problem. You had to send your ECU to them, and only certified & licensed tuners could use the software. It was also about a grand (or more for other options). It was something that only the more well off or dedicated could use at the time. Not alot changed during that time period. After a couple years Hondata finally decided to release the tuning software to public and thats when the Honda scene blew up. Eventually even free solutions emerged and the amount of community development and accomplishment in that scene is astounding. All because of access.
Thank you for reading my personal thoughts and speculations on this matter.
Altruism is not dead, it just doesn't exist in the commercial atmosphere.
The point to this product is not revolution but commercialism.
If you can't afford the software then buy a packaged tune.
CharlieX wasn't altuistic, he made lots of money off the rich guys.
Hondas are....well...Hondas. I'd hate to see Lotus become ricer material for every wanna be loser....JM2C
The point to this product is not revolution but commercialism.
If you can't afford the software then buy a packaged tune.
CharlieX wasn't altuistic, he made lots of money off the rich guys.
Hondas are....well...Hondas. I'd hate to see Lotus become ricer material for every wanna be loser....JM2C
Let me just point something out here. To do the job you need to purchase an ECU, hardware debugger, Harness, logic analyzer, oscilloscope, factory tools, software and such. So for $25k-$30k and you only have the tools to allow a suitably skilled person to do the job. How do you pay their salary for the next 3 years while they develop it?
-Michael
-Michael
The rub is that I'd be buying a tool for a car. Every other tool I've ever bought for a car, I could use on ANYcar. I don't have (and I'm not forced to buy) three 19mm wrenches because I have three cars!
But, that argument supposes that a Lotus ECU is equivalent to a common fastener. We all know that the opposite is true. It is a difficult nut to crack, and requires a specialized tool. There have been only a few of those tools, now there is one more.
A potential customer's requirements and desires are definitely part of the free market, but in my view, are trumped by the free enterprise side of the equation. The seller is free to develop and market his products as he deems best, and only then can the buyer vote with his cash. Otherwise his wants are merely speculative. (Certainly he is entitled to express them and campaign or bargain to get his way.)
A potential customer's requirements and desires are definitely part of the free market, but in my view, are trumped by the free enterprise side of the equation. The seller is free to develop and market his products as he deems best, and only then can the buyer vote with his cash. Otherwise his wants are merely speculative. (Certainly he is entitled to express them and campaign or bargain to get his way.)
Hey Evan60,
I agree with your sentiments, but you have a blunt way with words that will loose Hackish's customers.
I reckon Adaptronic ecu is the way to go, but thats a thread hijack.
I agree with your sentiments, but you have a blunt way with words that will loose Hackish's customers.
I reckon Adaptronic ecu is the way to go, but thats a thread hijack.
I don't think anyone here would deny your right to make a living and be appropriately rewarded for your efforts. I'm sure you wanted to hit the "sweet spot" with your pricing, but I wonder if you might actually have higher gross sales income by selling more copies at a lower price. The downside with more unit sales at a lower price would be more users to support, the upside would be a larger user base with more feedback, more tunes to share, and a bigger more active community. But it's your product, your choice, good work and good luck. I hope your product thrives, and you release an '08+ version soon.
my .02,
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