Sorry to see the V-6 sound leaving so soon. That would be the only way I would want one.

 

She was an old motor, long past her prime Cat. Pushed too hard, as I did, they had plenty of issues...............precats were a biggie and the probable need for my rebuild esp after the tranny spline a year earlier. I am VERY glad I have been patient and didn't pull the trigger in FE world........time will tell. Purchasing a 2025 car with a 2005?? motor...why would you do it....oh yea, that nostalgic right hand item......................
Emira will be there if the dream Esprit never occurs..............

 

Perhaps but it's a reliable workhorse with glorious sound. Exhaust note is just part of the total package when sizing up cars. It doesn't have to fake it's exhaust note with piped in exhaust notes like some. One of the best V6 exhaust notes out there.

 

Would love to see something done by Cosworth in the engine bay. Would sweeten the sour taste of knowing it's a Mercedes engine.

 

Tried and true reliability over untested new-tech any day. Of course, Lotus can't even spell reliability. Sad.

 

Well, It's not like the M139 is a new untested engine since MBZ have been using it since 2019 and so far I have not heard of any major problem. But I'm afraid that the hybrid will come from somewhere in Geely's existing lineup so that maybe a totally different story.

 

Is there anything to substantiate this aside from a dealer rumor?

 

There have been many rumors of the end of the v6 over the years. Until Lotus makes an announcement it's all just that, rumor.

 

I'm glad I picked up my orphaned 6MT V6. This really is the last "old" car you can buy new. Port injected, no auto-start stop, manual transmission. Unless rules change, and for a very long time to catch a ~8 year product design cycle, this kind of car isn't being made again.

 

Same here, I miss the FE 1.0 and the 1st batch of 2.0 order cutoff so I ordered an i4 last year with another deposit for an end of production run V6 manual. Then they offered me an orphaned Magma Red from their 1st arrival back in April and I picked it up. My i4 just arrived at the dealer also.

 

Article says: "it lives on in the Lexus IS, Lexus ES, Lexus RC, Lexus TX"

 

Not the 2GR-FE. Toyota last model that uses it ended in 2023.

The V-6 Camry Is Dead

The new Camry is available only with a four-cylinder hybrid powertrain. Its 3.5-liter V-6, which did service in the Lotus Evora, will not return for 2025.

www.roadandtrack.com

 

The Elise/Exige has had four different Toyota engines in at least 8 states of tune not to mention the 4 variations of Rover engines. There's plenty of history to believe that if the 2GR is no longer available they can use a different engine.

But that's assuming Toyota needs to sell new cars with that engine in order to keep producing it, with is completely false. Toyota can keep making the engine forever as long as there's demand. It's very profitable to do so, actually. Lotus isn't buying them in the secondary market, or eBay.

 

Wow didn't realize that. Do you know what the different Toyota engines were? I knew there were different tune levels.

 

Lotus really should be thinking ahead to cater to clients who don't want a four banger at this price. It's a tough situation with the GTS being similar in price while delivering that 4.0 six with a choice of either transmission, both being outstanding. I configured a very nice GTS for $108K. A four pot Emira is $100K. You really have to want the Emira. The same could be said when comparing the C8. As always with Lotus, it must be an affair of the heart because the head will take considerable convincing in order to make the case for the AMG for many if not most shoppers.

 

Isn't the 4.0 motor production ending as well or at least in the candyman?
No different than folks like me actually preferring the P400 Range Rover with the brilliant 3.0TT v the P525 with the ever troublesome 4.4TT Beemer motor. We don't need more cylinders to provide more power anymore. If you can stand looking at a GTS, go for it. They are just another Porsche to me................don't they all look the same. Looking back, the original Cayenne was truly hideous. You guys know I laugh at that stuff. At least everybody loves my little 500e thus far.
I know the 2GRFe limitations better than most here......enough issues that I wasn't looking forward to spending another 5K to correct them before they detonated rest of motor this time.....PRECATS are a bigger problem than most realize.

 

Dealer and Lotus USA have confirmed 15Feb2025 is the cutoff for V6 Emira orders. Will Euro emissions kill the V6? Couldn't get a comment on that. I have ordered V6 6 Speed in Ember Orange (1 of 50 in North America).

 

I was offered my pick of the three that my dealer already has on order but I already have my V6 manual and my i4 have just arrived. What am I going to do with 3 Emiras? 😂

 

Trying to justify the 4 cylinder in a 3200 lb, $100k sport car is like when women say your 'member' is the "perfect size" because "the big ones can hurt."

 

Well, this news has me reconsidering listing my V6 manual GT for sale. My hope was that Lotus was going to keep upping the ante on the Emira with newer versions that were lighter and more powerful (I’ve given up on a targa anything from them). However, with this news I don’t ever see a justification to switch to an EmIra. No I don’t want a paddle shift four cylinder that sounds nowhere near as sexy as my V6 manual. So if this is the direction the Emira is headed then I have no interest.

Oh, and I love my analog GT gauges.

 

Isn't the 4.0 motor production ending as well or at least in the candyman?
No different than folks like me actually preferring the P400 Range Rover with the brilliant 3.0TT v the P525 with the ever troublesome 4.4TT Beemer motor. We don't need more cylinders to provide more power anymore. If you can stand looking at a GTS, go for it. They are just another Porsche to me................don't they all look the same. Looking back, the original Cayenne was truly hideous. You guys know I laugh at that stuff. At least everybody loves my little 500e thus far.
I know the 2GRFe limitations better than most here......enough issues that I wasn't looking forward to spending another 5K to correct them before they detonated rest of motor this time.....PRECATS are a bigger problem than most realize.

I will shorthand this by sayin that Lotus has always been an choice.

Isn't the 4.0 motor production ending as well or at least in the candyman?
No different than folks like me actually preferring the P400 Range Rover with the brilliant 3.0TT v the P525 with the ever troublesome 4.4TT Beemer motor. We don't need more cylinders to provide more power anymore. If you can stand looking at a GTS, go for it. They are just another Porsche to me................don't they all look the same. Looking back, the original Cayenne was truly hideous. You guys know I laugh at that stuff. At least everybody loves my little 500e thus far.
I know the 2GRFe limitations better than most here......enough issues that I wasn't looking forward to spending another 5K to correct them before they detonated rest of motor this time.....PRECATS are a bigger problem than most realize.

TBH, I don't follow Porsche that closely but I believe it's the 911 that is going hybrid. Maybe both will be so saddled, I'm not sure but for now you can buy the 4.0 at the price I indicated. That you prefer the looks of the Emira (for the record, I do too) remains a subjective judgement. I should add that I think the Porsche twins are very well sculpted if not quite to Lotus' high styling standards. However, I don't see the majority of people making their choice based solely on the outer skin. Getting past that, in the P cars you have superb transmissions, natural aspiration with very high redlines, a fleshed out dealer network and very high quality build, plus a frunk. That's certainly going to be compelling for a lot of folks. Maybe not for you, but Doc, you and I are outliers in the market. Anyway, Lotus' announced future is also hybrid. Of course, we won't see any of those cars for years so the competition for Lotus today boils down to the two cars, Porsche or Corvette. It's simply reality. You buy the Lotus to be unique, perhaps for its other qualities too and to stand out from the crowd. The crowd of course, is gobbling up the Porches and Chevys leaving Lotus with the crumbs. Same as it ever was.

 

I will shorthand this by sayin that Lotus has always been an choice.


TBH, I don't follow Porsche that closely but I believe it's the 911 that is going hybrid. Maybe both will be so saddled, I'm not sure but for now you can buy the 4.0 at the price I indicated. That you prefer the looks of the Emira (for the record, I do too) remains a subjective judgement. I should add that I think the Porsche twins are very well sculpted if not quite to Lotus' high styling standards. However, I don't see the majority of people making their choice based solely on the outer skin. Getting past that, in the P cars you have superb transmissions, natural aspiration with very high redlines, a fleshed out dealer network and very high quality build, plus a frunk. That's certainly going to be compelling for a lot of folks. Maybe not for you, but Doc, you and I are outliers in the market. Anyway, Lotus' announced future is also hybrid. Of course, we won't see any of those cars for years so the competition for Lotus today boils down to the two cars, Porsche or Corvette. It's simply reality. You buy the Lotus to be unique, perhaps for its other qualities too and to stand out from the crowd. The crowd of course, is gobbling up the Porches and Chevys leaving Lotus with the crumbs. Same as it ever was.

While deciding on an Emira back in Feb 2024 I inquired at a dealer about getting a Cayman allocation and was told they weren't taking anymore orders because 2025s were supposed to all be electrified. That has obviously pushed but the end of the gas cayman/boxter is probably closer than anyone would want.

 

Kew, I just can't get past the while Bazi thing and that German arrogance I have experienced first hand. Their concept of beauty is like Wagner.... harsh

 

Got this from my dealer today:

"I was just told by LOTUS that they are limiting production of the V6. We are assuming engines are dwindling. Because of this, THIS IS THE LAST MONTH TO ORDER A 2025 V6 EMIRA. I have until Feb 15 to place my orders.

This will come as a surprise to most of you, who were prepping to place an order later this year. Welcome to Lotus.

More iterations of the Emira might be in the future, including hybrid, for now we will only have the Base i4 AMG production to look forward to next year."

You may get an order in through a dealer, but the V6 option is no longer on the Lotus Cars website.

 

Which web site? I see the V6 in the configurator and the spec page on the US site.

 

Now that its Feb 18th, any confirmation you can't order a V6 anymore?

 

Any US order depends on dealer allocation. The configurator is a wishing well.
Lotus has to accept a dealer order. If they're not building them, it's not happening.

 

one more reason to NOT buy an Emira. might as well get an alpine or any of the cayman variants

 

Alpine not available in the US and the Cayman is boring even with a stick. My 2024 718s have been sitting in my office warehouse except for when I take it out for a weekend every other week. Even the i4 gives you much more road feel and steering feedback than the Cayman.

 

Ummm... I tend to think OP is wrong given the latest news from Lotus. You can still order the V6 manual, except the wait may be longer given Lotus' allocation of resources to the 4 cylinder. Mind you, it's still called "First Edition" if you want Lotus to label it as such... I don't know of any models of any brands that took on this label without plans for upgrades on a next edition. While I understand the need and desire for an owner to think he purchased the last and final version, common sense and nomenclature dictate otherwise. Be prepared to sell your current model to get the next version.

My understanding is that Lotus will release a "Final Edition" of V6 manual, with a tuned engine that allows the rev limiter to go much higher than the current ridiculously silly restrictive 6800 rpm. It will obviously be more expensive than the current model as it will be the last Emira manual V6. Given the "First Edition" name Lotus bestowed on the current version, common sense should have told you Lotus will not close out V6 manual until an improved "Final Edition" is released. I'm hoping they will finally have matte black as an option for exterior color.

 

Dream on. Multiple source in Japan have already confirmed that Toyota's last shipment of the 2GR-FE will be Q3 2025. We also have multiple reports from people that have toured the factory and attended the driving academy and they were given hints that we won't see the V6 beyond 2026.

 

I don't see Lotus raising the rev limiter above 6,800 due to emissions.

 

German sterility. Functional excellence that lacks charisma, a tactility. BMW's used to have a good "feel" but they have become terribly NUMB also. Combination of obesity and brute force. Getting sick of watching GTD as a result. My new favorite class is LMP2 (2074lbs and all you)

 

BMW's used to have a good "feel" but they have become terribly NUMB also.

I have read that GM's Caddys have MUCH better steering feel than late-model BMWs, despite both using identical electric PAS systems?

 

As of 4/8/25, US configurator still shows the V6. Any more confirmed and reliable news that V6 is dead?

 

Of course that really doesn't mean anything with US production halted.

 

News from Lotus today. All US car production halted until further notice. There was a batch run of US cars planned for May at the factory but that has been abandoned.

 

Because of tariffs, or another reason? Thanks Obama.

 

MSN article on the hold.

MSN

 

Lotus was joined by Jaguar Land Rover.

 

Jaguar has been DOA in US for the last year or so with the horizon pretty far off. Lotus is one stumble after the next.

Tariff's or not, they need to support their dealerships.