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Aha! Cutting corners?
Sorry mate, I rest my case. I have done my outmost best to make this happen. Action speaks louder than words and you're splitting hairs.

cheers,

Harry Martens
 

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More pics. 1650 Euro. 85 Euro shipping. Have to figure today's exchange rate, it changes by the minute.

THANKS FOR MAKING THESE AVAILABLE HARRY!!!!:up::clap::up:

I bought some other stuff too. That price is CW&P only. You will also want to get gaskets, o-rings, seals bearings, improved snap ring, etc. Harry has it all!
 

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Hi Tim, all information is on crownwheel and on pinion. MDP , mounting distance pinion is still very good with in range.
cheers,
Harry
Harry,
What do "14.16.43810" and "DP187203" mean?

In inch gear design on this side of the pond, "DP" would be Diametral Pitch (tooth size/ number of teeth per inch on the pitch diameter), but the large "187203" doesn't compute with that. So in this case, what do DP and the big number mean?

"i" is ratio. An 8 tooth pinion and 35 tooth gear: 35/8 = 4.375:1. That's the same old stock Esprit final drive ratio.

MDP = Mounting Distance Pinion. That's what was previously called the "Pinion Height", and that's what the Pinion Height Fixture (3170-T) is used to measure.

MDC = Mounting Distance Crown. Is that something that we can or should measure in the transaxle during assembly? If so, then how do we do it? From where to where? Is another special tool required? Following the old instructions, the Pinion Height (now MDP) would be adjusted first, then the "Backlash" between the crown wheel and pinion would be measured and adjusted. So, what do we do with "MDC" that would change the old procedure? Anything?

If we stay with the old procedure, then what is the correct "Backlash" to use with the new CWP pair? On future gear sets, it might be useful to include that value in the markings on the gears. In other words, it would be helpful if the markings on the gears were consistent with the old/ available instruction manuals, or issue updated instructions that relate to the new markings on the gears.

Thanks,
Tim Engel
 
Harry,
What do "14.16.43810" and "DP187203" mean?

In inch gear design on this side of the pond, "DP" would be Diametral Pitch (tooth size/ number of teeth per inch on the pitch diameter), but the large "187203" doesn't compute with that. So in this case, what do DP and the big number mean?



"i" is ratio. An 8 tooth pinion and 35 tooth gear: 35/8 = 4.375:1. That's the same old stock Esprit final drive ratio.

MDP = Mounting Distance Pinion. That's what was previously called the "Pinion Height", and that's what the Pinion Height Fixture (3170-T) is used to measure.

MDC = Mounting Distance Crown. Is that something that we can or should measure in the transaxle during assembly? If so, then how do we do it? From where to where? Is another special tool required?
Following the old instructions, the Pinion Height (now MDP) would be adjusted first, then the "Backlash" between the crown wheel and pinion would be measured and adjusted. So, what do we do with "MDC" that would change the old procedure? Anything?

If we stay with the old procedure, then what is the correct "Backlash" to use with the new CWP pair? On future gear sets, it might be useful to include that value in the markings on the gears. In other words, it would be helpful if the markings on the gears were consistent with the old/ available instruction manuals, or issue updated instructions that relate to the new markings on the gears.

Thanks,
Tim Engel
Hi Tim, have to get back to you later. I ask the manufacturer. I think production and mating numbers. 14.16. 43810 and DP187203 on pinion, and 14.16.43820, DP 187303 on crown wheel. MDC is indeed not needed. The backlash is 0.10 mm. Only MDP wich is excactly the same as in manual. So the old procedure is still actual now.
You can see the photos . cheers,
 

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Hi Tim, just got confirmation. Gear manufacturers all ways put mounting distance on each for wheel and pinion. For us only pinion dept is needed, so the next batch will only have that and back lash on it. First numbers are from factory and are system, batch and mating numbers. Not relevant for us.

cheers,

Harry
 
Discussion starter · #199 · (Edited)
Yes, of course. I'm not a quitter!

Advantages my design:
  • reversed direction of the spiral - to correct the OE design FUBAR; force applied to the correct flank of the tooth (see posts 53-60)
  • larger pitch for increased tooth thickness (30% strength increase)
  • revised, more robust pinion gear tooth design
  • better final ratio of 1-4.428 (vs OE 1-4.375), which improves the acceleration!
  • aerospace grade alloy steel (same as critical aircraft engine gears)
 
Discussion starter · #200 ·
Hi, to all, no changes in procedure for setting the pinion dept. On the grinded part on top of pinion.

Only back lash has increased to 0.10 mm. In the manual for old cwp settings the back lash was 0.15-0.20.

cheers,

Harry Martens
DS-Vitesse ? Versnellingsbak revisie
Great job, Harry!

Do you know what teeth cutting system Citroen had used on the vintage OE Citroen DS CWP-s?
Just curious to know...
 
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