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Discussion starter · #201 · (Edited)
OK, Gals and Guys, I'm in the race, again!

Like I said before, no, I'm not a quitter!
I'm glad that Harry has validated my concept/idea and it all works.

Thus, after a brief pause to sort out my new S4s, I'm reviving The Group Buy Initiative for my super-strong Crown Wheel Gear and Pinion.
Harry claims, his reversed CWP is "bullitproof", but MINE will be at least that strong, or stronger, due to the use of better steel and more robust teeth cross- sections. All other details stay the same as before, see post # 81 & 133 of this thread
I'm in the process of collecting final competitive bids.

SO, if you want to add your name to the "List", please PM me at MrdangerUS@hotmail.com

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Harry claims, his reversed CWP is "bullitproof", but MINE will be at least 50% stronger due to the use of better steel and more robust teeth sections.

Why on earth would you try to make a proven " bullitproof " part 50% more bullitproof?? What is point?

Now weakest point is point in casing by pinion bearing. I, and many others, are very happy with the new high quality HML "reversed" ring and pinion. Second batch is allready half way. Third batch likely coming this year.

HML also provides for the Lotus Esprit with Citroen gearbox, new gear sets, new synchro rings, new bearings, new seals, new input shaft, new Quaife ATB differential etc, etc. All tested for several years now and perfect fit.

Also fully rebuild Lotus Esprit Giugiaro gearboxes for S1, S2, S3 and C35 for Turbo in stock.

cheers,

Harry Martens Limmen, HML gearbox specialist.
 

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Discussion starter · #204 · (Edited)
Harry,
You wrote: Why on earth would you try to make a proven " bullitproof " part 50% more bullitproof?? What is point?

Well, the point is, why make change and not go all the way? Besides, you're trying to create a Monopoly and lack of competition gives you an opportunity to drive up prices exorbitantly high.
Competition is good for the Customer - it keeps prices in check.
 
I dunno - I think I will trust the guy with decades of experience rebuilding these gearboxes and an international reputation for fair dealing and quality work.
 
Well, the point is, that you're trying to create a Monopoly and lack of competition gives you an opportunity to drive up prices exorbitantly high.

Monopolist!! Who would have thought someone would say that about me:D

My price is, seen by the small batches and high investments, fair. Not very far away from your, theoretical 50% more unbreakable prices. ( that's my point, I have unbreakable proven cwp sets and you claim yours is 50% more unbreakable:D)

below some photos of my work and parts. I have ALL the parts. Good for you Esprit owners, and hee, I have to make a living right? I will never become a millionaire in this business, believe me.

I will upload some more pics later

cheers,

Harry Martens Limmen, HML the Netherlands
 

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Discussion starter · #212 ·
So, is "50% more unbreakable" the same as being "50% more pregnant"?

:scratchhead:
Yess, U-R right Atwell, as always!
Or... like 50% more "wingless", LOL?

>:)
 
Discussion starter · #213 ·
In a nutshell, the CWP in the Esprit application is driven backwards from the original Citroen application. Harry's new parts corrects that.
I am truly grateful to Harry for validating my concept!

I'm looking for the royalty checks in the mail, LOL. :wink2::wink2:
 
In a nutshell, the CWP in the Esprit application is driven backwards from the original Citroen application. Harry's new parts corrects that.
OK, I had misunderstood, I thought Harry's parts had the Citroen orientation for that larger market and MrDangerus was trying to do a set that reversed to the correct drive flank.

I guess if Trump is slapping 25% tariffs on car parts, it really discourages me from that option.
 
I am truly grateful to Harry for validating my concept!

I'm looking for the royalty checks in the mail, LOL. :wink2::wink2:
That's been known since Lotus first used the gearbox. Heck - I even figured that out when rebuilding my first 'box back in '98 or '99.
 
Discussion starter · #217 · (Edited)
That's been known since Lotus first used the gearbox. Heck - I even figured that out when rebuilding my first 'box back in '98 or '99.
Soo, you and Harry knew for 20 years that there was a problem with these parts and you did not disclose it to other members of the Esprit Community?

Hindsight is 20/20 !

Just Saying
 
John,
The community knew, it wasn't a secret. It was known/ published/ discussed back when the Esprit S1 was current... and onward.

In the Citroen SM, the engine and transmission were installed with the engine behind the axle centerline and it's flywheel end facing forward. The transaxle was forward of the engine, with it's bell housing end facing backward to meet the engine.

When Maserati used the same basic engine and transaxle in the mid-engined Merak, but flipped around end for end, the transaxle was re-tooled to flip the crown wheel to the other side of the pinion, reversing it's output's direction of rotation.

But the Lotus 9XX and the Maserati V6 engines rotate in opposite directions, so for the Esprit application, the SM's transaxle still produced five speeds forward even when flipped around behind the opposite rotation 907. The bell housing and some external covers were revised to suit the Esprit installation, but the internal gears and bits were stock Citroen for the 907... including the CWP. Later enhancements improved it's torque capacity for used behind the 910, but the 'direction' of the CWP's spiral cut teeth remained the same throughout production.

Neither Lotus nor Citroen re-designed/ re-tooled the transaxle's design for the Esprit application. Nor did any of the Lotus parts specialists. We were all 42 years down the road before anyone stepped up and addressed the matter, and that was Harry Martens. It's difficult to fault him for his efforts to support Esprit owners with transaxle parts and services, including work-arounds for unobtainium parts.

Regards,
Tim Engel
 
Discussion starter · #219 · (Edited)
What "Community" are you talking about, please define?
Has the knowledge about this costly FUBAR limited to a narrow Minnesota community (just 3 of you)?

Furthermore, if "Community knew it", like you wrote, WHY this Community failed to say a word or assist my efforts when I announced (on both websites) my investigation of this problem in 2015?
Read the old postings in this thread and follow the timeline.
My efforts were ridiculed by you, Griese and Harry. Go back and read old Harry's posts where he repeatedly denied existence of the CWP weakness problem.
Finally, 2 years later, he jumped on board (Feb, 2018) hi-jacking my concept. He also hi-jacked this thread and used it to advertise/promote his business. That's rotten!
For years, how many Lotus Brothers were badly mislead?
Just sating facts...
 
That no one recognized you didn't know, and didn't tell you, doesn't negate the fact that it was known early-on that the Citroen CWP was running backwards in Esprit applications.

In the context of stock Esprit applications, the OEM CWP was adequate. Perhaps marginally adequate in it's later Turbo Esprit applications, but it worked well enough to support normal use and warranty requirements.

You are also working on hotrodding Bosch 910s, and talking about 300+ hp. That makes you and your transaxle expectations unique, and not "defining the category". "Bulletproof" depends upon the calibre being used (30 cal, or 30mm), and there's a difference between Bulletproof and Howitzerproof.

For a pretty much stock Citroen-Esprit, including a few little upgrades under 10 psi boost (boost controller, BOV, little stuff), or Lotusbits' 300 hp/ torque-limited naturally aspirated 2.5L 912, Harry's CWP is probably "Bulletproof".

But you're in a small group when talking about a 300+ Hp Bosch Turbo Esprits. That's a very narrow market. If you wish to go down the Howitzerproof path, to forge that trail, then good on you, I support your effort. But don't bad-mouth the majority who don't follow you there, or the service parts vendors who support them. Like Harry.

Build a better mousetrap, and promote it's advantages. 'Attract' customers, and maybe they'll buy. But all the MrNegativity isn't helping your cause any.

Sorry if I've offended you. That's not my intent.

Regards,
Tim Engel
 
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